listen to the stick!

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  1. harrythewit, Mar 25, 2019

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    Just got back from a short trip to AC. Played at the Borgata, Harrahs, Hard Rock, and the Golden Nugget. Ended up a few $$$ so a good trip. At the Nugget, played $3 on all the hardways, hit a hard 6, parlayed the whole amount and lost it. Next time up,played the same $12, hit a hard 6, and the stick says: parlay again? I say no, make it $10. Of course, very next roll, hit another hard 6! Son of a gun!!!
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Mar 25, 2019

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    Harrythewit,

    One has to ask, How Do the Dice Know how to frustrate the shooter???

    Yet they appear to be able to do so!

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. von duck, Mar 25, 2019

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    You are totally right, It is truly uncanny. :mad: :cool:
     
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  4. ChequeMate8, Mar 26, 2019

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    HtW,
    It sure Does seem that way at times, when those things happen it will Drive just about anybody nuts!
    . I still say, that to "listen to the stick" is way too broad of blanket statement for me. I've had a few stickmen (persons) "P/C" give sound wagering advice on occasion, but make No mistake, they are the "Soundtrack of Suggestion" (TM), to get people to have as much action working on a roll AS POSSIBLE, That's their #2 function!!
     
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  5. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 26, 2019

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    The dice may have no memory, but at times I'd swear they have eyes.
    I took a look at a dealer's handbook years ago. I did discover some things I had not observed, or noticed if I did see them -- the one I remember off hand was to make sure you rubbed your face with the back of your hand -- but most of it was familiar and/or common sense, including pitching the high HA bets.

    There is one observation I have made that was not mentioned in the handbook: even experienced dealers are not necessarily knowledgeable about the math and strategy of the game they are dealing. I had to correct one such at my local haunt when he told another player that the all day hardways were better bets than the field, and from his reaction I'm 99.44% sure he actually believed what he was saying.
     
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  6. James Hall, Mar 26, 2019

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    So instead of $300 you had $100
    One thing I learned many years ago , what we leave on the table
    many times far exceeds what we lose.
     
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  8. James Hall, Mar 27, 2019

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    That is not all bad , some people lose because they never have enough
    on the table working for them.
     
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  9. harrythewit, Mar 27, 2019

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    So true James, and, in my opinion, the hardest lesson to learn!
     
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  10. TDVegas, Mar 27, 2019

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    That’s not any different than what several “PLAYERS” here call “winning craps”.

    Get it out there. Cover all the numbers. Get paid on EVERY non 7 roll. Why are you wasting any rolls and not getting paid?

    Winning craps. :rolleyes:
     
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  11. James Hall, Mar 27, 2019

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    The reason that lesson is so hard to learn is
    because when a guy racks the $100 and leaves the $200
    on the table they don't think of it as a loss and yet many times
    a person will parlay a bet on a number once then pull it off
    and that number hits 3 or 4 more times they will say
    "Damn I should have left it up".
    That $5 he pulled down is often much less than that other $200.
    You are right a hard lesson to learn , generally because
    they just don't know how to plan their strategy and the fear factor.
     
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  12. James Hall, Mar 27, 2019

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    Very good I'm not going to say
    I couldn't have said it any better myself because I can.

    Every box number that is rolled you don't have a bet on
    is a MISSED opportunity for profit and moves you one roll
    CLOSER to the 7.

    Remember , It is much easier to get ahead with large wins
    than it is with small losses.
    Playing to lose less is a dangerous way to play. If you
    are totally successful in achieving your goal
    you will indeed LOSE less.
     
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  13. TonyDvegasrules, Apr 11, 2019

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    The only way to make money is to bet aggressively if the shooter is rolling well and your bets are hitting. If you are hitting your bets and only just betting small amounts it will take you a long time to make some serious money.

    If you are hitting on your bets then start betting higher amounts so if the roll is a good one you can capitalize on it.
     
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  14. cmonhard8, Apr 11, 2019

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    All the stick does is UP-SELL....Not sure if they are trained to do it that way, or if they think they are really helping you.....MOST craps workers play craps at other casinos, and it does seem like they are BIG on PRESSING, and I do agree that when it's a HOT roll, you MUST get your money out there, otherwise what is the point?
    Sure, EVENTUALLY, the 7 will show up and yes, you will lose that money on the table, but if you aren't silly with your money, you should still end up with a profit......Personally, if I'm UP, then PRESSING is very logical, especially on a specific number that seems to be hitting alot that day........If any of us could predict the future, we wouldn't need to play craps......
     
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  15. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 12, 2019

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    This from a casino dealer's handbook (Page 8, Item #11 under the heading Calling the Game), "Encourage bets on propositions and the field."
     
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  16. James Hall, Apr 12, 2019

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    The biggest mistake players make is not having enough
    money on the table when the dice are producing numbers..
     
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  17. TDVegas, Apr 12, 2019

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    The essence of winning....IF your numbers are hitting, make sure you had more money out there. Obviously there's a "catch".
    Grinders work off a different principle. More sessions, many sessions and a tendency to walk with smaller wins.

    While committing that banked win to bigger bets....one must also consider the elephant in the room. Ignoring or dismissing the elephant is how some go broke playing craps.

    Personally, I prefer to walk with smaller wins more often by banking that win rather than going for the bigger score by committing that banked money back to the table. To each his own....

    Maybe he presses that $75...rolls a 7. I walked with $75 profit. Maybe he rolls 6 box numbers after pressing the $75. He makes more than me. Tomato, tomatoe.
    Always good to be hitting your bets...but it’s no indication of what will happen next.

    A guy who flies into Vegas from Akron, Ohio is likely going to have a far different expectation/experience than me. He’s already committed 4 figures just getting and staying here. Is he satisfied with my $75-$100 win on a Monday? Doubt it.

    Grinders, regulars vs. once every 6 week player may have a far, far different game plan and betting strategy. The only generic evidence (personal accounts aside) suggests I'll fair better in the long haul. No guarantee, strictly based on the design of craps.

    I think pressing can be a good play. And also not. Depends on outcomes.
     
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  18. tabletop123, Apr 13, 2019

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    Words of wisdom coming from a $5-$6 bettor. Lol
     
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  19. Mssthis1, Apr 13, 2019

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    "Every box number that is rolled you don't have a bet on
    is a MISSED opportunity for profit and moves you one roll
    CLOSER to the 7"

    "Playing to lose less is a dangerous way to play. If you
    are totally successful in achieving your goal
    you will indeed LOSE less"


    This is coming from someone who is missing the thousands of box numbers that are rolled every hour and totally successful in achieving their goal of losing less by staying home and not playing craps.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Apr 13, 2019

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    He's making what I would call a bullshit or buffalo talk argument for "winning".

    Essentially what is being said is....

    "Jeez, you just rolled a 9....why didn't you have $100 on it"?

    Or

    "Look at that, back to back 4-1...you should have had that hopped for $50"

    "You missed it".

    There are dickwads running all over Vegas saying this to the stranger playing next to them. In a perfect world, we would max out any bet if we knew the 7 wasn't coming next. These arguments I equate to the passenger telling the driver to "speed up".....passes cop, gets ticket for $300. Passenger shrugs shoulder and says "shit happens".
     
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