Live Craps coming to phoenix

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  1. Ward

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    By end of october live craps will be in phoenix at Wild Horse Pass Casino
     
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  3. Mssthis1, Sep 27, 2017

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    The little rectangular box in the upper right corner of your computer screen says otherwise. Since I have 0 plans of ever going to Arizona that is all the research I'm going to do.

    "Arizona law forbids roulette, craps, and baccarat games, electronic or otherwise."
     
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  4. James Hall, Sep 27, 2017

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    Arizona has electronic craps , roulette
     
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    I would still like to know why Ca. would allow bubble craps, but otherwise make you play craps with cards. Seems like people would forever be throwing, the damned cards off the table, " SAME CARDS PLEASE.:D :cool:
     
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  6. Mssthis1, Sep 27, 2017

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    I won't play in any state that uses "bingo" law for their electronic games. They can set them to pay whatever they want instead of having to mirror the live game like Nevada law.

    Florida used have those rules. Don't know if they still do or not.

    The internet says Arizona uses "bingo" rules. Don't know if it's true but it doesn't matter to me.

    It looks like Arizona has two sets of gambling laws depending on if it's NA or not. It looks like Native American casinos do have craps and machine craps but for legal purposes they are sovereign nations and not part of Arizona.

    Is the Wild horse NA or not?
     
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    You have to ask that question, with a name like "Wild Horses"? I'm gonna say yes, I think all Az. casinos are American Aboriginal.
     
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    Exactly how does "bingo" law work, and why do they call it that?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_casinos_in_Arizona
     
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  10. random_roller, Sep 27, 2017

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    @Mssthis1 - The FAQ I linked below is worth reading. I probably wouldn't venture into a Class II gaming facility, which is entirely self-regulated by the tribe that owns it. Also note the payouts section for a Class III facility on slots (minimum 80-83%).

    FAQ from AZ Dept. of Gaming

    https://gaming.az.gov/class-ii-and-class-iii-faq

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    Limited Class III gaming (e.g., blackjack & poker, but not craps, baccarat or roulette) was approved by voters back in 2002 (Proposition 202).

    Tribal-State (AZ) Compacts -- Note that the recent 2016 amendments are not currently available. I have not seen any indication traditional craps will be a part of these updated compacts. Given gambling was accomplished via initiative, I have doubts the Governor (alone) could negotiate craps into a new/amended compact and have that document survive a legal challenge.

    https://gaming.az.gov/law-compacts/tribal-state-compacts
     
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  11. Mssthis1, Sep 27, 2017

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    It's all about politics. Loopholes in the laws allowing bingo on reservations or allowing casinos on water is what got casino gambling started in many states. When the first tribal casino opened here in the early 90's they gave you a bingo "book" that had coupons in it that you turned in with cash to get your chips for table games or tokens for the slot machines. The daily limit back then was $200 in my home state.

    Florida used to have some crazy law that their slot machines had to mirror pull tab bingo cards to be legal. That was in the late 90's. They have probably relaxed some of those crazy rules since politicians figured out how to get their fingers into the pie to pull out a few juicy plums of their own.

    Used to be in Missouri you could only lose $500 either per day or 2 hours, I can't remember which at any given property. Ameristar had 2 boats side by side since there was a loophole in the law that would allow you to go to the other boat if you maxed out on losses on the first one. lol. That law is now off the books. They even allow markers in Missouri now.
     
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    Highly doubtful...........Why get our hopes up?
    Wild Horse Pass already has bubble craps and roulette.........and that is likely as far as it will get for the foreseeable future..........
     
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    The 'slot machines' in the New York 'Racinos' (the state regulated gaming facilities adjoined to race tracks) are actually VLT's - Video Lottery Terminals.

    Their payouts mimic the way you would be paid on a scratch off lottery game. They have all the bells, whistles and graphics of the slot machines, but the payouts are determined like a scratch off lottery ticket. Adjust your odds of winning accordingly.

    The 4 new casinos approved in New York are 'Las Vegas style' casinos with RNG slots and live table games.
     
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    Why would a casino that already has bubble craps, want the live game, that attracts DI's, and other "undesirables". You would think they would leave well enough, alone. :D :cool:.
     
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    Re: different class slots

    4 Winds casino, 2 miles north of the Indiana border, in Michigan, an Indian owned casino. It has Vegas style gambling. Real craps tables. The tribe is building a casino in South Bend, Indiana. They do not have state approval or whatever you'd call it.

    So there will be no table games and only Bingo style slots. Boyd and the other big boys in NW Indiana can't be happy. I'm sure something will happen "under the table" in a year or 2 and they will get Vegas style gambling.

    It's kinda a joke. There are too many casinos popping up all over.
     
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  18. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 27, 2017

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    I'm surprised no one has come up with a card-using variant for the Fire Bet. My thought would be to have hat-shaped containers in front of the box number boxes. Players would attempt to get a card with a result that matches the box number into the hat for that number. Payoffs would be equivalent to the dice version, with amounts depending on the number of matches obtained. Alternate pay tables could incorporate extra credit (e.g. vouchers that could be accumulated and exchanged at the cage for prizes, like stuffed animals left over from school carnivals) for a throw that matched a hat on another table. Yes, California is definitely missing out on some lucrative opportunities.
     
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  19. DeMango, Sep 28, 2017

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    The Seminoles have been given regular slots (Class III)? But since no real craps, no real DeMango!
     
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    Wild horse IS NA
     
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