Losing Craps Strategies... numerous?

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  1. SevenOut, Feb 23, 2019

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    Gambling seems to offer ONLY Strategies to WIN. Why is that?

    Is it becoming much too easy to WIN and everyone is offering their best kept secrets to share them with everyone?

    Reading these Forums, there seems to be a trend. Why all these chronic 'winners' so eager to please and share? Much like discovering a Placer Gold deposit in Colorado, remote and unknown... yet publish a map with directions to come and get into the free for all. FREE for ALL. Sharing, no doubt has become the current trend.

    I can think of better ways to LOSE, than to WIN at the Craps Table. But accidents happen and the best of losing intentions become Winning Sessions. When you want to Lose... you can only end up Winning. Over and over.

    Getting your best intentions kicked often? Try to do the opposite of your current strategy. It cannot be any worse than your current experiences. Be a Contrary Craps strategist. Hell with the optimists with hand fulls of chips that never touched the felt of a Craps or any card table. Or negotiable tickets that were hand fed with $100 bills and printed out for illusions of grandeur.

    Just because someone is selling you a fifteen year old sports car and said he never ran the piss out of it... you do not have to believe it is true. Especially when the rear tires are bald, but has a nice wax job. Suck it up and admit it. We all fall prey to the three walnut shell game. Don't watch the shells, but the hands.

    This hand in your back pocket, may not be yours... but an optimist needing a... break in their string of Winning. Some need a helping hand, after all. Thank you.
     
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  2. von duck, Feb 23, 2019

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    So you feel that pessimism is the "key"? :confused: I should go to the casino, with the attitude, "let's see how fast, I can lose my ass" ? :confused: Try to find a bet that will lose? :confused: Ya know, this is so bad, it might actually "work". I'll try it. One quick stop at the pawn shop, and I'm on my way to the casino, thanks 7-Out. :) Hears my plan, (pawn shop)>>>>>>>> (casino)>>>>>>(poorhouse)>>>>>>>(gun shop)>>>>>>>>>(bank)>>>>>>>>(prison) :)
     
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  3. SevenOut, Feb 23, 2019

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    Wonderful.

    An example of a gullible member of the Craps Forum. No wonder, when some hear Fake News, which is obvious to the well informed, but to some... makes sense to... them and go off into a make believe world.

    I hope that von duck rereads post #1. It is what educated people in the gaming business call sarcasm. Mssthis1 understood.

    My purpose is to make one think. I already have a decent grasp of the mathematics of Craps, using biased or not dice.

    If you have to spend money to manage Dice Control... to Win. Why waste your time and money?

    You need do nothing, but wager the opposite a Dice Control prospectus tells you to do. Considering that Dice Chuckers have no clue what they are doing at a Craps Table and if you perfected your Dice Setting must avoid making any wagers at those occasions. Which is about 90% of the time, if not more.

    You no doubt fall for the photograph with a hand full of chips... obviously won at the Craps Table. Or how about a Casino Ticket showing the... obvious winnings at a Bubble Craps.

    Maybe a handful of cash with a $100 bill on the top and bottom, with the rest being $1 bills to thicken the windfall.

    If those are good examples, do it and write your book. It will be sensational.

    How does that make any sense? Not to me.
     
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  4. von duck, Feb 23, 2019

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    You might of told me a little sooner man. You don't know any discount bondsman do you? :oops:
     
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  5. SevenOut, Feb 23, 2019

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    Thinking is not a crime. You are off the hook.

    Stay off Bouncy Tables if you need to change your sets.

    Stay off Hard Surface Tables if you need to change your sets.

    Find a table that is not too soft nor too hard. Goldilocks had it figured out. You need to read the Three Bears and Goldilocks... again. It was like most Craps Stories... 'a walk through the woods'. She is the Dice Setter for LID. The one with the nice... baskets.
     
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  6. SevenOut, Feb 23, 2019

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    As van duck and I discuss the ins and outs of participating at a Craps Table, many players complain about the table conditions.

    I had a 12 and a 14 foot Craps Tables from the former Dunes Casino. Brought them from Las Vegas to Kansas City through a source who had access to the 'used equipment market', shall we say.

    Neither had anything underneath the layout. Just the 3 inch+ plywood. The razor edge dice beat the layouts to the point it was necessary to buy a 12 and 14 foot layout to recover them. The curved section is screwed to this plywood from the bottom. Probably 4 inch screws. Remove the mirror and then remove all these wood screws. The chip rail section lifts off easily and is not that heavy. Just a bit awkward.

    The hard part, just like a Billiard Table being recovered... is stretching the new layout. I left both original layouts intact and laid the new layouts over one of them. This WAS protection to prevent premature wearing out of an expensive cloth on the 12 foot table. I also preserved the Dunes layout in the process. Almost all Casinos use Razor Edge dice for obvious reasons... the sharp corners will catch the cloth and cause them to tumble...

    When I hear 'bouncy tables', I also tried a dense rubber under the 14 foot table. As was said on another thread by Mssthis1, the dice would bounce off the table. Too often. But, it kept the shooters under control as this was pre-Dice Influencing days. Even John Scarne never mentioned Dice Setting in his Dice Book. Loads... yes and a list of dice that were intentionally made to prefer specific outcomes.

    I doubt if a Casino makes a table bouncy to deter DI's and Dice Setting. Although it may discourage these players to come to their table(s) and get the unpredictable Dice Chuckers with money to burn.

    When a die goes off the table, the Boxman looks for the security on that die. He is ALSO looking at the corners so they are not damaged or nicked.

    I had, one evening, a guy who was chucking dice and making 30 to 1 wagers and hit one with a $25 chip. Took weeks to recover the luck, as it was 'play money' but at $10 per hundred in play chips, a sharp wagering player can hurt the bank. I pulled the five dice out of the Dice Cup and gave them to the shooter.

    We had a good laugh at the table and proceeded to clean most everyone's bankroll as a matter of practice. As von duck says... we all play to WIN, it is the process that does not make any sense.
     
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  7. BuckShot, Feb 24, 2019

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    Keep in mind that craps strategies both work and don’t work.

    When the shooter has the dice for more than 15-20 minutes, then most likely any strategy will work.

    No strategy is a winning strategy. Instead you need to look at a strategy like a structured way of betting or as a reference for you to customize to your liking or to what feels right and works for you.
     
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  8. SevenOut, Feb 24, 2019

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    After watching the way most Craps Player's wager, they would not make much on ANY long roll.

    These are 'off the Strip' Casinos, but they need to follow this Forum. I expect similar mentality at the $10 and $25 Strip table's as well. I hope not.

    Structured Systems to me are like playing the same numbers on the Keno. Sure, eventually they will work. Most often not. I always like to be flexible with my wagering and have no structured plan how the Sessions will turn out.

    One plan is when I am using House Chips, those in excess of your original Bankroll, OK. Many say when you win they are your chips. Sure, but in my world those that exceed my original Bankroll is my definition.

    I will press up my Hardways when backed with Place Bets. I may even toss random wagers onto the one roll wagers.

    System Players that play all of the numbers and press when they win... need to sit back are figure out why? Watch for an hour. It just is not going to be a productive evening at the tables.

    I watched a player playing his $1,000 buy in doing this. He lost. He lost and then went to another table. We followed to watch. He lost. He walked with whatever was left over. He covered all the numbers believing this time would be that roll that played the numbers like a piano keyboard....

    BuckShot says to customize to what feels right is for those who understand that if a roll gets beyond Point / Seven Out... you may be able to take some money off the table. Fifteen minutes... ? Maybe eight to ten minutes is plenty for some to make Bank and get the Hell out of Town.

    Hit and Run Craps Players. Catch a good run in numbers and come back some other day. Any Fool can park at a table, set up camp and plan on cleaning out the table's Bank.

    Most Players set a Loss Limit. That is usually their buy in. They lose, they leave. They win... pull out a reasonable profit, play with House Chips and if they disappear... so should YOU.
     
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  9. von duck, Feb 24, 2019

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    Your best chance to win, is to employ a sound regression strategy, on the lowest H/E bets. The D'Alumbert, allows you to walk away a winner even when you've lost more bets than you've won. A full-blown Martingale, is too volatile on a bad run. As a bonus, the dealers absolutely hate it. :D If this doesn't suit your need for excitement, then choose the "nut clipper" you like best. :) There's plenty of them to go around. :cool:
     
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  10. Dave G Ct, Feb 24, 2019

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    Good post Duck!
     
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