What is the minimum Bankroll to begin at a Craps Table? I am offering two, $200 and a $2000 Bankrolls for my examples. IS $50 reasonable? $20? $200? $1000? What is the magic number to get through a cold spell or at the beginning of a big winning session? What System is to be used with the smaller $50 Bankroll? The $1000 Bankroll? THEY cannot be the same wagers... or are they? ********** On another Thread, basicstrategy777, had brought up some interesting concepts as to Bankroll ranges and the reasonable opportunity to leave the Craps Table with winnings. Which is the purpose of this Thread's discussion. 777 was focused on "Win Goals" and I was focused on "Winnings according to the Percentage of Bankroll". "Do you think a person with a large buy-in and low win goal.........has the same chance of winning, as a person with a small buy-in and a low win goal ? note: win goals are the same. 777" These "Theories" are totally different in concept, but based on the probability of being at a Winning Craps Session. I am a firm believer in winnings according to the "Percentage to Bankroll" and 777 "Win Goals". I will do my best how I understand 777's concept and mine. I hope that 777 will expand upon his previous statements that were presented more as questioning my percentage to Bankroll concept, but until that happens I will try to interpret the Win Goal concept. Percentage to Bankroll: If a player has a $200 Bankroll A and another player has $2000 Bankroll B, neither have the same expectations of winning the SAME AMOUNT during a Session. My PtB, Percentage to Bankroll says that if Player A wins $100 and Player B wins $1000, they each won 50% to Bankroll. They would not necessarily be playing the same System of Play, but Player A is restricted to the size of wagers compared to Player B's Bankroll. My point is that for the Bankroll, both Player A and Player B have the same PtB. Win Goals: Player A and Player B both want to win $1000. Since Player B would be playing more $$$$ per wager, this player would most likely achieve a Win Goal of $1000, or 50% or .5X of his original Bankroll easier in a shorter amount of time at the table. Player A would have to win 500%, or 5X his bankroll and would be most likely in a very long Session with wagers in proportion to the $200 Bankroll (as in the $200 - $300 Full Monte System). The chances of the $200 Bankroll Player to have a Win Goal 5X, while the $2000 Bankroll Player would have a Win Goal of a reasonable 1/2X. One Win Goal is unrealistic. The other possible. The caveat is that the System being played, the wagers are in proportion to Bankroll and the Dice are running in both Players favor. I do agree with 777 that the higher Bankroll Player will be able to win a larger amount in a shorter period of time than Player A, the $200 Bankroll Player. This would be due to the larger wagers, IF the dice outcomes favor those wagers and Player B's Win Goal is $200 to quit... or has he placed a higher Win Goal of.... $5000. Which is possible, but unlikely. The Fallacy of a Win Goal Expectation: Player B wagers more per shooter. Player B can win more... but also can LOSE more on one shooter than Player A has in total Bankroll. Both are dependent on WINNING and not LOSING... A smaller Bankroll controls the maximum loss during a Session. Expecting a $100 win and quitting after the dice turn cold (according the System being used)... can be a decent Win Goal of $100 AND a 50% Winnings to Percentage of Bankroll. There is ONE VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT OF THIS COMPARISON OF WINNING to consider: Win Goal is decided BEFORE one begins to play at a table. I want to win $500 tonight. I have $2000 to risk to go for that goal. (Obviously there is also a Bankroll LOSS in mind as well, so the Bankroll to Risk may be only $1000.) Percentage to Bankroll is decided DURING play at the table. When I get to $100, I will let the chips on the table play until they are lost OR the player may decide to pull all or part of these chips off the table. I have $200 to risk. I do hope that 777 chimes in. I am still uncertain as to his way to attack the Craps Table and how Win Goals are determined by a System or what? My Random Outcome $200 Bankroll is all you need IF you are winning. You play until you have winnings locked up and decide if and when to quit playing. As you win, your "Bankroll" increases... with the understanding your $200 Bankroll is part of this "larger Bankroll". As we all agree... there is NO limit to WINNING.... and the loss of your Bankroll is the most you can LOSE at any one time. I worked on this while eating Costco Broiled Chicken for dinner this evening. What do YOU think? Are there other options? These two concepts are VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. Make you comments clear and as long as necessary. Do you have your own goal of winnings, predetermined or limited for one reason or another? Tear into my PtB or 777's WG. We all want to beat the Casino. Lets get to work.