I bet on the 6,7,8 and lay the 10 as a hedge on Aruze Bubble Craps (which is really a slot machine). I win money if my winnings from 6,7,8 are significantly larger than my losses on the 10. What I do is complicated since Surveillance is clueless about hedge bettors*. So I make place bets on the 6 & 8 and win on the 7 due to my lay on 10. If a 10 shows up, I lose money. When the machine is in the right mode, I can get 12 (6,7,8) rolls out of 15 consecutive rolls so I make good money. My teammates and I are now trying a new strategy of lay 4 & 10 vs just laying the 10. Their argument is simple: the dices CANNOT be 4 & 10 at the same time. My argument is the dice controller targets numbers that are 8 or less (you have to find the machine in the right condition) so you would end up losing a ton of bets on the 4. I have posted numerous photos of me clocking rolls of 12 or more (6,7,8) in 15 consecutive rolls so getting (6,7,8) is possible once I find the machine in the right condition. I would appreciate any constructive feedback or comments on Lay 4 & 10 vs Lay 10. Thanks in advance. -TR31 * Surveillance is pretty good at most casino against simple team plays: one bets on pass line, the other guys bets on the Don't Pass Line. Our team breaks the 6,7,8 & Lay on 10 bets amongst two or more machines so the casinos is simply CLUELESS. Our net position and win rate is more important than any one individual's results.