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NEW BANKROLL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM I LEARNED HOW TO WIN 1K/DAY WITH 3K - 5K BANKROLL

Discussion in 'Bankroll Management' started by mrsmooth, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. mrsmooth, Dec 31, 2012

    mrsmooth

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    If anybody wishes to learn how to win 1K/Day jump in this thread. My craps instructor has PROVED to me this can be done consistently with the proper bankroll. I started with 3K bankroll and was instructed to set goals at $500 per session using 5 different strategies using trriggers based on counts. Since I started with my craps teacher we have now won 36 consecutive sessions in 14 days! Right now I FEEL GREAT!!!! Currently I play with a 10k bankroll seeking the same modest goals. If you are here in Las Vegas then PM me and we can play......or at least intro you to the perslon who has instructed me! MrSmooth
  2. goatcabin, Jan 11, 2013

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    This, of course, is bullshit. When you see "trriggers based on counts" be very afraid! >:)
    This sounds like some sort of Martingale-like system.
    The fact that no one has responded to this speaks well for this forum. >:)
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
  3. mrsmooth, Jan 11, 2013

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    Well, I see the 'goat hearder' is attempting to now teach Bankroll Management. FYI, very little of what you just splattered on the forum is true. I don't mean to be negative but when some idliot makes idiotic comments on other threads without any knowledge of the game that same idiot needs a lesson in manners. Mr. Shank-er, you are that idiot. I have NEVER met anyone upset with winning 1k/day consistently (except Alan Shank-er).

    Your comments in Bankroll Management in another post of yours about not stopping after reaching a goal are COMPLETELY WRONG. Almost 100% of the time those who don't stop when they hit a goal give it all back and more. And for you to even suggest 'never stop after a win'...that too, is just plain dumb. The probability of another win after a win demonstrates guys like you who chase wins after wins end up complete losers. " The chips are only good.....when they are in the wood". Most craps players play (incorrectly) by seeking streaks by positive progressive betting and end up leaving more on the felt than kin the wood. Negative progressive bettors (Martingale bettors like Mr. Shank-er) win 90% but when they lose once, their ONE LOSS is 400% more than their aggreggrate wins. Casinos send jets for players who use the Martingale system. If you have a strategy and it wins, take it down and move to the next strategy as needed or triggered to adapt to the ever changing table conditions . Remember, 'water seeks its own level' meaning that the side wth the mathematical advantage WILL ALWAYS WIN OVER TIME....so take your short term win and put it in the wood. You will NEVER win consistently at craps using one system or one strategy (despite what Mr. Shank-er states).

    Simply put, if you cannot win 1k per day consistently with a 5k-10k bankroll playing blackjack, craps or baccarat, than you should take up lawn bowling, croquet, or perhaps knitting.

    Also, remember that if you want to win the war you MUST have the bullets (BANKROLL). The confidence of having far more than you need is key to winning because you cannot win if you do not feel you can win. Don’t show up to the gunfight battle with a knife or BB gun. Additionally, I have never met a player who can buy a system on-line, read the strategy, and go to the casino and win consistently. Personally, I sit side-by-side with my clients at all times so that they may know when to switch strategies using ”˜triggers’ based on variable counts.

    In order to win consistently at craps one must follow some VERY OBJECTIVE rules and guidelines. Let me give you some very sound and PROVEN advice. One can win 1k/day EVERYDAY playing craps with a 5k bankroll is one takes winning very seriously. In Las Vegas, there are several of us Professionals who do this daily....but, it takes EXTREME discipline and money management skills....Here is what I teach ALL my clients at the tables.
    Read below and feel free to comment.

    1. In order to win consistently, one may have multiple strategies or what is called a 'combinatorial system'. These combinatorial systems MUST be able to tactically adapt to changing table conditions & player conditions.
    2. The casino is a hostile environment and must be treated as such at all times no different than ”˜Waging Business Warfare’ in day-to-day competitive business.
    3. One must be fluent in pre-game preparation. Before I buy in, I:
    a. Look at table size
    b. Feel table surface
    c. Checkout what table positions are open
    d. Check out the color of chips and bankroll sizes in each player’s racks.
    e. Pre-play Table Charting and note DI shooters.
    4. One must understand the complete “Rules of Being a Professional’.
    a. Discipline
    1. The professional will always play the cards and not the money.
    2. The professional understands the secret to winning understands the knowledge when to quit.
    3. The professional will quit whenever the established goal of winning per session has been reached.
    4. The professional quit playing whenever the casino atmosphere, other players, or the dealer is upsetting you.
    5. The professional quits whenever the strategically determined table stake has been lost or severely diminished.
    6. When the professional decides to quit play he removes himself entirely from the casino for at least an hour.
    7. The professional will not gamble when only a short time remains before the scheduled departure time.
    8. The professional will always set aside accumulated winnings as well as a portion of the trip bankroll.
    9. The professional must adhere to all of the money management rules: bringing an adequate trip bankroll, limiting each session to only the session bankroll, taking breaks, and keeping good accurate records at all time.
    10. The professional must recognize that long time periods of play always favors the casino. Short, well planned, playing sessions with winnings and time goals make it more feasible to consistently “walk away a winner”.
    11. The professional understands there are other good times to quit besides when winning or losing. For example:
    a. You feel the table is too hot or you feel the table is too cold.
    b. Other players are making decisions or bets that upset you.
    c. You are losing track of; or losing faith in your system or strategy.
    d. You are tired or have to ”˜pee’ and are subconsciously waiting to lose so that you can take a break.
    e. You lose some bets you feel you should have won and become tempted to over-bet or chase losses.
    12. The professional understands how to ”˜get rich in the dark’:
    a. If someone asks: “How did you do in Vegas?” Reply: “We had a lot of fun.”
    b. If someone asks: “How much money did you make?” Reply: “We did well enough to almost cover costs?”
    c. The importance of disguising you’re a winner cannot be emphasized enough. Casinos love losers.
    d. Pocket some of your winnings to appear to win less and consider cashing in chips during different shifts.

    b. Motivation & Strategy
    1. The most important attribute of a successful professional, other than discipline and patience, is the belief and self confidence that he can win.
    2. Professional playing is a business in which you must have set goals and a predetermined plan to achieve goals.
    3. The true professional tends to be low-keyed, methodical, and very goal oriented in their pursuit of profits.
    4. The professional has a plan that will have provisions for setbacks and will not allow for the free -wheeling approach that most people associate with the common gambler.
    5. In order to gamble and win, the professional must have an edge. The first step in gaining an edge is to only play at those games where your skill, expertise, or inside knowledge have taken most of the risk out of wagering.
    6. The game of choice must have a reasonable probability of being won, and it must be susceptible to the professional’s pre-planned money management strategies to overcome house advantages.
    7. Professional’s understand there are two types of gambling contests: games of skill and pure games of chance.
    8. In games of skill, the professional can gain an advantage through the use of specific expertise and understanding of the game. Examples of games of skill are horse racing, sports betting, poker and blackjack. In each of
    these games, a professional's expertise can give him an advantage over the house or the bookie.
    9. In games of chance, the professional must be concerned with the mathematical advantage the house has over the players, and he must use skill and money management to overcome this advantage.
    10. Games of chance which offer the professional a reasonable expectation of winning, and which can be beaten with skillful play and money management are casino craps, baccarat, and, to a lesser extent, roulette as it is played
    on the two zero American wheels.
    11. The true professional will zero in on one or two games and develop the skill and discipline necessary to overcome the disadvantages facing the player in these games.
    12. Not only must the professional pick & thoroughly learn the correct strategies to win at the right game, he must avoid the undue influence of the distractions so common to casino gambling. (Ie: booze, shills, & hookers)
    13. The best way to tip a dealer is to place an occasional bet for the dealer. This can be especially helpful at blackjack, where with a dealer bet riding on the next hand, the dealer may delay shuffling one or two more hands, or
    show card behind the cut card, offering the professional a chance to capitalize on favorable cards.
    14. The secret to blending in is to act friendly and talk to your fellow players, the dealer, and the floor personnel without succumbing to the negative aspects of the casino. This is Important to avoid being pegged as a pro.

    c. Bankroll Management
    1. In order to begin a career as a successful professional, you must be adequately capitalized.
    2. Professional’s determine a clear and set amount of money should be established as the bankroll fund.
    3. The professional must not be pressured because of money problems into digressing from a basic sound money management strategy.
    4. Once the professional has established his gambling stake, only a portion of this stake should be risked in a planned session or a single trip to the casino.
    5. It is recommended that the total fund be at least five times the amount required for a session or trip bankroll.
    6. For example, if a planned session or visit to the casinos requires a gambling stake of $3,000, then the gambling fund should be five times this amount, or $15,000.
    7. Consider that professional does not win every time they are engaged in a gambling contest, and an important aspect to eventually emerging a winner is to have the staying power to withstand occasional setbacks.
    8. In order to determine the amount of the bankroll required for a casino visit, professionals understand it is necessary to know the size of bets which will be made
    9. For professional progressive system players, the table stake should be the amount required to bet the system. For example, the total cumulative of the "system's" bets.
    10. When using the Matrix Betting Systemsâ„¢ one should have a bankroll at least 3x the table maximum.
    11. The professional must establish a table stake for losses. The table stake defines the limits of the maximum loss a professional can experience in one session at the tables.
    12. The professional will quit whenever his table stake has been reduced to the point that there are not enough chips left to play the system or strategy correctly.
    13. Professional’s quit playing when they have lost so much of your table stake that "normal" play is not possible.
    14. A common (and losing) approach to gambling is one followed by many losers. If they are losing, they increase their wagers to recoup previous losses. If they are winning, they also increase their wagers to increase their
    winning rate. Instead of taking this approach, the professional will place a bet in accordance with the money management rules and not vary his bets based on his current profit or loss position.
    15. The professional establishes an earnings goal for each session & for each casino trip must be reasonable and should range between 75% to 110% of your normal expected win, given your system and expected playing time

    d. Recordkeeping
    1. In order to adhere to all of these disciplines, it is essential that you keep good records of your wins and losses.
    2. A notebook should be purchased and used for record keeping.
    3. These records should not be approximations, but they should be accurate and complete.
    4. Every playing session should be recorded on a separate summary page for each casino game & system of play.
    5. The heading for the page will show the game played, the system used, and the bankroll for each game.
    6. The results for each session will be recorded on the horizontal lines with the following shown for each session: the date played, the casino, the approximate time played, and the amount won or lost.
    7. If partners are playing at the same time at the same table, then an additional column will be used so that each partner's win or loss can be recorded.
    8. A final column will summarize the net win or loss for that particular game and trip
    9. Separate summary sheets will be kept for each casino game such as different for blackjack, baccarat, or craps.
    10. A master summary sheet will be used to record the net wins and losses by game for each day of a trip.
    11. The total of the master summary sheet will show the net win or loss for a particular trip.
    12. The master summary sheet will show the targeted profit for the trip and will give the player his stopping point when this target has been reached or exceeded.
    13. The summary sheets for individual playing sessions and the master summary sheets for each previous trip may be kept by the professional player in a file or some other secure place at home,
    14. These records should not be carried with the player when he makes visits to the casino; the only records with the player should be the records for the particular trip.
    15. As a final bit of record keeping a summary of trip expenses will be kept for each trip.
    16. It is advisable that each day after the record keeping is completed, the daily winnings be set aside as well as some fraction of the original trip bankroll as money which will not be touched for the remainder of the trip.
    17. When this money has been effectively removed from play, it should be physically separated from the player's remaining bankroll. This is more of a loss prevention technique than a method to increase winnings, but it is
    important to assure the player exercises good solid discipline and sticks with his game plan.

    5. Determining Bankroll (assisted by Professional)
    1. PHYSICAL BANKROLL:
    a. Professional will make sure player will always be properly capitalized.
    b. Professional and player will determine amount player can afford to play with.
    c. Professional will review player’s:
    i. past history of gaming
    ii. average bet
    iii. win/loss history
    iv. casinos played
    v. average length of time playing
    vi. size of bets
    vii. systems & strategies
    d. Professional will determine player’s gaming stake to be risked in planned session of trip.
    e. Professional will allocate total fund to be at 3x - 5x the planned session.
    f. Professional and player determine system & strategy to be used including minimum & maximum bet size.
    g. Professional will assure player’s bankroll exceeds the total cumulative amount required to bet the system.
    h. Professional can also reverse engineer player’s bankroll depending on earnings goal.

    2. EMOTIONAL BANKROLL:
    a. Professional and player will determine player’s:
    i. risk tolerance
    ii. threshold of stress
    iii. bet size for thrill vs sweating outcome
    iv. type of player
    1. extreme player: (small bankroll with huge money goals)
    2. conservative player: (big bankroll for padding with small bets)
    3. somewhere in between player: (objective bankroll with objective goals)
    v. past size of losses & wins
    b. Once Emotional Bankroll is determined:
    1. adjust needed bankroll vs measured % of emotional risk
    2. adjust bankroll and betting strategies to win sessions
    3. adjust multiple sessions time of play to achieve money goals

    Colleagues, there is actually much more but I am literally out of charaters for this post. If you who wish to learn more or play along with me here in Vegas just PM me any time.

    Good luck to all!
    MRSmooth
  4. goatcabin, Jan 12, 2013

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    On one thread, you posted:
    "If anybody wishes to learn how to win 1K/Day jump in this thread. My craps instructor has PROVED to me this can be done consistently with the proper bankroll."

    On another, you posted:
    "But when you slam a Professional as you did in your prior post and then atttempt to BS players with knowledge you don’t have, be prepared to eat dirt. You have never seen my play, you don’t know what triggers and counts are used, and most of all, you have no idea how consistently I win or how well my clients & colleagues do daily."

    So, which one are you -- the student or the professional? Oops, sorry, I mean Professional.

    "Your comments about not stopping after reaching a goal are COMPLETELY WRONG. Almost 100% of the time those who don’t stop when they hit a goal give it all back and more. And for you to even suggest ”˜never stop after a win’...that too, is just plain dumb. The probability of another win after a win demonstrates guys like you who chase wins after wins end up complete losers."

    First, I presented my play as a personal preference, not a set of rules. Did you happen to read the words, "For myself,"?
    Also, "I never stop after a win"; that is not an instruction or recommendation. Many authors recommend pursuing another goal, including "The Dice Doctor", Sam Grafstein, another "Professional", who always said, "Limit your losses, never your wins". Perhaps, also, you didn't read the part about setting aside most of the win goal checks and playing further only with a small percentage, in which case I cannot "give it all back and more", can I?

    " Negative progressive bettors (Martingale bettors like Mr. Shank-er) win 90% but when they lose once, their ONE LOSS is 400% more than their aggreggrate wins."

    Did you have some extra 'g's lying around? >:) Actually, I have NEVER played a Martingale in my life. I don't see how you could have drawn that conclusion, except that you didn't actually read my post, or possibly just didn't understand it.

    "You will NEVER win consistently at craps using one system or one strategy (despite what Mr. Shank-er states)."

    Please quote my post where I state that one can win consistently with ANY strategy. Your post is exceedingly dishonest.

    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
  5. mrsmooth, Jan 13, 2013

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    Alan,

    SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, LET'S GO TO THE SOURCE OF DISHONEST & UNFOUNDED DEFAMATORY POSTS........AND THAT SOURCE IS YOU.

    DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EARN 1K/DAY WITH 5K BANKROLL? IS 10% EARNINGS GOAL OF BANKROLL AGGRESSIVE? IMPOSSIBLE?

    WHO THE HELL ARE YOU, "ALAN SHANK' TO READ MY POST, ASK NO QUESTIONS, AND OUTRIGHT CALL MY POST "BULLSHIT"?

    WHO THE HELL ARE YOU, "ALAN SHANK' TO STATE TO READ A POST KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE USER, NOTHING ABOUT THE SYSTEM, NOTHING ABOUT MY PLAY RECORD, AND CALL THE POST & USER BULLSHIT?

    WHO THE HELL ARE YOU, "ALAN SHANK' TO STATE "BE VERY AFRAID' WITHOUT KNOWING ONE THING ABOUT THE SYSTEM?

    WHAT MAKES YOU THE AUTHORITY ON 'TRIGGERS' AND 'COUNTS' WITHOUT ASKING WHAT TRIGGERS AND COUNTS ARE USED?

    DO YOU JUMP IN AND TELL PROFESSIONAL CRAPS PLAYERS WHO USE DI AS PART OF THEIR OVERALL STRATEGY THAT THEY ARE 'BULLSHIT' AND TELL EVERYONE THEY 'SHOULD BE AFRAID'?

    WHERE IN ANY PART OF MY POST DO I EVEN MENTION MARTINGALE?

    WHAT HINT, IF ANY, GIVES YOU THE EXPERTISE TO DEDUCE THERE IS ANY 'MARTINGALE" BETTING STRATEGY USED?

    ANY SEASONED CRAPS PLAYER IS AWARE OF SEVERAL BETTING STRATEGIES, HEDGE STRATEGIES, SINGLE & COMBINATORIAL SYSTEMS, AND EVEN BANKROLL MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS THAT CALL FOR HIGHER BANKROLL.

    ANY SEASONED CRAPS PLAYER IOS WELL AWARE OF MOST ANY PROFESSIONAL OPINION STATING "IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE BATTLE THAN HAVE ENOUGH BULLETS (BANKROLL)"

    ANY SEASONED CRAPS PLAYER OR PROFESSIONAL KNOWS THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAN IMPLIES ANY USE OF ANY MARTINGALE SYSTEM.

    ANY SEASONEN CRAPS PLAYER OR PROFESSIONAL WILL SUPPORT THAT SETTING DAILY EARNINGS GOALS OF 10% OF ONE'S BANKROLL IS QUITE REASONABLE....MOST WOULD EVEN SAY QUITE CONSERVATIVE.

    SO WHERE IN MY ORIGINAL POST THAT YOU DECIDED TO BE DEFAMATORY AND CRITIC WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT "This, of course, is bullshit. OR "When you see "trriggers based on counts" be very afraid!" >:) OR "This sounds like some sort of Martingale-like system."

    DO YOU HAVER PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME VIA PM ON THIS POST?

    IF YOU HAVE NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AS TO PM'S, THAN WHO THE HELL ARE YOU, "ALAN SHANK' TO TELL PEOPLE "The fact that no one has responded to this speaks well for this forum. >:) Cheers, Alan Shank"

    DO YOU HAVE ANY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF ANY PERSON AT ALL WHO HAS LOST EVER PLAYING WITH ME? NO, YOU DON'T. SO WHAT RIGHT DOES ALAN SHANK HAVE TO SAY "be very afraid!" >:) Cheers, Alan Shank"?

    SO GEE MR. ALAN SHANK, IS IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO BE PROFESSIONAL AND EARN A SOLID LIVING PLAYING CRAPS? OR BE A PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER AT ALL?

    ARE YOU THE ONLY PROFESSIONAL IN THE WORLD WHERE YOU CAN JUST DISMISS ANYONE YOU HAVE NEVER MET AS "being a student'?

    IS IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PROFESSIONAL TO HAVE AN INSTRUCTOR?

    ANY COMMON SENSE PERSON KNOWS THAT A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PITCHER HAS A PITCHING INSTRUCTOR.

    DOES THAT MAKE THE PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PITCHER....NOT A PROFESSIONAL?

    ANY REASONABLE PERSON KNOWS THAT EVERY PROFESSIONAL HAS AN INSTRUCTOR, DON'T THEY?

    SO HOW DO YOU SUBSTANTIATE YOUR COMMENTS THAT I CANNOT BE A PROFESSIONAL IF I HAVE AN INSTRUCTOR AS YOU DID IN YOUR NARRATIVE?

    DO YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD WHO CAN WN CONSISTENTLY AT CRAPS?

    OR ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE DESK MONKEY MATH GUYS WHO FEELS NO ONE CAN EVER WN CONSISTENTLY AT CRAPS WITH MODEST EARNING GOALS, PRE-PLANNING, DISCIPLINE, AND BANKROLL MANAGEMENT SKILLS?

    NOT TO MENTION LIVING IN LAS VEGAS, PLAYING ALMOST DAILY, AND HAVING 10'S OF THOUSANDS OF REAL DICE TOSSES IN A LIVE CASINO AS EXPERIENCE VS YOUR SELF WRITTEN 'C' PROGRAM SIMULATIONS?

    DOES YOUR EXPERTISE CLAIM THAT TABLE LENGTH, TABLE FELT, HARDNESS, NOTING BANKROLLS, CONFIDENCE, TABLE CHARTING, AND POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE IS ALL IRRELEVANT?

    WHERE DID YOU EVER ASK ME WHAT 'TRIGGERS' OR COUNTS DO I USE? AND WHERE DID YOU ASK WHAT THESE TRIGGERS OR COUNTS ARE USED FOR?

    I DON'T SEE ONE QUESTION B ASKED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR DEFAMATORY REMARKS MR. ALAN SHANK! DO YOU? OR ARE YOU JUST ALL-KNOWING OF ALL ANSWERS WITHOUT ASKING ANY QUESTIONS?

    IS KNOWING ANSWERS TO EVERYTHING ALLOWING YOU TO MAKE DEFAMATORY REMARKS SOMETHING YOU WROTE IN A 'C' PROGRAM AND DID SIMULATIONS ON?

    IN SUMMARY MR. ALAN SHANK, YOU JUST OUTRIGHT BLASTED MY POST WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE, QUESTIONS, OR EXPERIENCE WITH ANYTHING RELATED TO ME OR THAT POST, DIDN'T YOU?

    AND THEN YOU FEEL YOU CAN QUESTION WHO SIMPLY RETORTS AS TO YOUR QUALIFICATIONS AND INTEGRITY AS A PERSON ????

    THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO MR. ALAN SHANK......YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NO MORE THE EPITOMY OF FALSE STATEMENTS, FALSE ACCUSATIONS, LIES, AND BY VERBATUM DEFINATION, YORUSELF, BEING COMPLETE BULLSHIT.

    (and I apoligoze to the forum members for my retort)....

    But let me ask the forum this......If something is successful out there, wouldn't you wish to know or at least ask questions before making any conclusion? Especially a conclusion of personal defanatory remarks? SHAME ON MR. ALAN SHANK!!!

    I REMAIN.

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  6. zmoney, Jan 13, 2013

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    My man this forum in case you haven't noticed is 50% craps 50% trollfest.

    My question is...... is you have this system why tell anyone? Unless you're trying to sell it in which case how much is it.
  7. SevenOut, Jan 13, 2013

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    Hello zmoney.

    "Beating the Craps Table is" 50% skill, 70% luck and 40% bank roll. If you add dice control, 35%. Confidence, 75%. Mathematical acumen, 85%. For a total of 100%.

    "Having good sex in Las Vegas..." Just substitute Good Sex where I have "Beating the Craps Table is..."

    I enjoy watching a full Craps table as much as actual playing. Watching various players at a table and their "game" is a great teacher and entertainment. Much better than watching golf, tennis or pool table championships on television. I have watched the $10.000 buy in at a table and watched the bankroll vaporize. I have watched a $300 bankroll going into the green chips. Sometimes I regret NOT being in the game. Sometimes I am thankful I WAS NOT in the game, as I am applying MY game to actual time on the table and licking my imaginary losses.

    Everyone is entitled to their theory, their proprietary system for private, public or commercial use of a well thought out Craps game.

    I am also a fly fisherman, but do it for my entertainment, more catch and release. If the "fly" catches more wins than losses, the fly will sell out quickly. I have yet to see a fly that catches my attention... yet. Although most of the trout on the Craps Forum are after what cannot be seen and underneath rocks in the stream bed, I like what floats on the surface and I can give it a real... real close look. If it does not smell right, it does not make me responsible to restrain my brethren from getting a good taste of... steel and barb. What might appear to be a tasty morsel at first, can come with a lesson and pain. So it is with the different approaches to Craps. Fish beware, as the hook is hidden well.
  8. $nakeEye$, Jan 13, 2013

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    As I feel " froggy " at this particular moment -

    I am going to " leap " into this fiasco Head- First -

    1st - " triggers based on counts " - was something I was taught back in '88 -

    Premise being - simply the following - NOT ALL PLUS COUNT SHOES / DECKS ARE FAVORABLE TO THE PLAYER -

    This is a " TRIGGER - based on the count " -

    The " SYSTEM " I learned used " INDICATORS / TRIGGERS " as to when you when you increase your bet -

    And further by what $X amount of your min / waiting bet -

    IMHO - ANYONE who uses the Hi-Lo Count to effectively gain and maintain an edge over the house in Casino BlackJack -

    Is an AMATUER - who is utilizing AMATUER tools - written by AMATUERS - who are pretending to be PROFESSIONALS in the eyes and minds of AMATUERS !

    WHAT happens in an increasing PLUS deck -

    The count is rising AND the dealer is drawing 4 or 5 card 20's and 21's -

    Constantly beating you by drawing cards as he/she is required by the rules to do -

    The HIGH cards are NOT running -

    They are clumped behind the clumps of LOW cards !

    $...eE..$

  9. SevenOut, Jan 13, 2013

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    [quote author="$nakeEye$" date="1358144302"]As I feel " froggy " at this particular moment -

    I am going to " leap " into this fiasco Head- First -



    No wonder I had never heard of "triggers" as Alan Shank had been explaining on the $200-$300 Bankroll posts. Thank you for bringing the Blackjack "triggers" out of the deep pits of Hell. Applying Blackjack strategy, which I do not even find those systems of any merit, myself, to Craps is a very, very long stretch to make believable.

    Mrsmooth did list a number of good points in several earlier posts for a Craps player to make note. There was no mention of a "system" and after reading your 1988 "froggy memories"... I think you are on the right track. Unlike cards, a pair of dice never run out of one or more numbers. One die does not have any more or less value than the second. Remembering what has been played in the past in Craps has nothing to do with predicting the future roll or rolls to eternity.

    As with any "system" for sale, as I have said before... you boil it down and you have a Martingale System with an added twist. Alan and I both agree that your bankroll just places your winnings by moving the decimal point. A "system" requiring $3,000 does not work any better nor worse than one with a $300 bankroll and playing in the proportion that is required to make your bets. If the guarantee to win $1,000 with a system, comes with a written money back guarantee... then it probably is for real. Otherwise, why even bring it up as, being as self centered as I am with my money, take the Casino bank home with me every day and keep my mouth shut.

    The more I read of the Craps System's fly fisherman slapping the river for fresh trout... the better the dice control Craps patrons look. Actually, I am finding the DI (I believe that is the general abbreviated term being used) as... refreshing. I do see possibilities in handling the dice... but am always skeptical of any System for a price. You had better put a worm on a hook, as these offers are hard to swallow.

    Thank you Snake Eyes. I just noticed a Post by Crapsman in the Offtopic Lounge. You cannot leave a fish out too long before you begin to smell something not right. There are several of you that are on the right track. That says a lot about how well the Forum can work for everyone... even us that are getting introduced to the personalities on the Forum.
  10. $nakeEye$, Jan 13, 2013

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    SevenOut -

    I apologize for being the one to burst your " bubble " -

    The " triggers " that I eluded to are real and mathmatically proven by the author -

    Which is not me - I am the student -

    Cards are a known factor - there are only so many A's , etc, in each deck -

    Dice, OTOH , can be totally ELUSIVE or exceptionally REPETITIVE regards what #'s are thrown -

    DEPENDING on the influence - or lack of - which is exhibited by the " shooter " -

    I have thrown at least 6 or 7 repeating - " 7's " on the C/O roll when setting the ALL 7 SET -

    I have thrown repetitive Hard 4's and Hard 10's , sequentially and non-sequentially when setting the 2V dice Set -

    Coincidence , luck, chance, good bounce, bad bounce , etc. , - ???????

    There are many, many on this particular forum who are skeptical regards the positive outcome that DI has over the outcome of the toss -

    I, OTOH , am a firm believer that the dice can be influenced by a proper grip, dice set, toss style and a focused / targeted landing zone , etc. -

    I, my wife, and a multitude of others, do it on a regular and consistent basis -

    Similar, if not MORE , spectacular results can be achieved at the BJ tables -

    Although caution in this venue should be highly regarded -

    The BJ tables are watched - craps not so much -

    As with BJ - the Craps venue also needs to be approached with a certain amount of caution / apprehension / skepticism -

    NOT ALL tables are GOOD - Nor are ALL BAD -

    The advantage constantly swings back and forth -

    Between Player and House -

    The Player needs to discern when the advantage is in his back yard -

    OR across the " street / table " !

    And THAT varies from shooter to shooter !

    $...eE..$

  11. Notsosmooth, Jan 9, 2014

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    You guys are so lucky you smelled bullshit from miles away Bc this is full of shit and just a scam. I wish I came in here before I foolishly lost my 23k bankroll yes that 23,000 dollars that he ran off with and claimed he had a family emergency and his daughter was being molested or some bullshit he pulled. I started to get suspicious when he wouldn't answer my phone calls but was texting me emo. Shit like please don't leave me ect. When it actually takes longer to text than to make a quick phone call esp. When your 50 years old. Which he is. He is a pathological liar, a con piece of shit. Won't gift him with the word artist. He gives out a fake last name so it's hard to track him, but he was part of "fire on Ice" some other shitty shit show he scammed down under the ground. His real name is Mark Thomas Georgantas. He looks like a fat,short,kid rock. Thanks to all of the hard earned money he stole from people, he gets everything comped. So he'll have his poor host send out limos and comp suites for guests to help lure u into his operation. Which he runs out of Harrah's and quad and hence why they are listed in my lawsuit.So they will be part of this operation. I have reached out to casinos,metro,FBI,gaming commission and much more. It's not about the 23k or 17.500 he took from another person I know. It's the theory behind we live in a country where you can't pull shit like this and I will prove that through the system. I have so many DA's and witnesses on board. He is threatening to tell his own clients wife he's cheating on her if his client can't keep me shut and pay him 180k and keep me away from fed's but I am just getting started. I figured 23k is a good price or 40k With the other guys money is a good price to at least get him down as the crook and scammer he is nothing more. Or get it in restitution. My father who has been playing at the Bellagio since before I was born and has beyond royal treatment there will shut him down with all their priorities and spend all the money in the world so I can get justice. and hopefully he'll end up in jail where he belongs or rotting in hell. Again beeecareful. He also will make up stories and start tearing up about his kids who he doesn't know to help him look more human. But he's definitely a devils child and an evil old troll. Karma doesn't lose anyone's address even when he'll be homeless or end up sick in some hospital all alone dying with people's hard sweat and tears weighing on him! Sorry for the long vent guys but I saw your post and HAD to share. You should be proud of yourself's for not associating with this psychopath. Oh and for anyone in Vegas, this is the gold phone around neck guy. Look up his mugshot on Google and just add a blonde wig kinda like kid rocks but trailer trash fake blonde streaks and add 150+ pounds! Email me any questions guys. Oh and his number and email are listed above by someone else. He has a 2nd number, what con doesn't? But I don't have it on me. I got it from a host just to be safe Bc he is a psycho, I have to now protect myself. P.s. Not to mention he sucks and lost 15k in maybe 2 hours and spent 3 days trying to win it back. Brought in someone to keep track of what hits ect. Otherwise he was losing up 2k a bet. And starts looking possessed when he's losing. It's quite the look. So yea def. sucks,a lunatic, a felon,a criminal and a pathological liar!
  12. KokomoJoe4, Jan 13, 2014

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    Wasn't it Seven-out who stated our smooth sales-people should not be so kind with their offer to help our gaming bankroll (for a small price)?

    With such a sure thing, wouldn't they be better off borrowing the money from dad, friend or brother, with a return on investment?

    Why do they need the money in light of all their success? Apparently we are dealing with major philanthropists who feel rewarded with their ability to donate large amounts of cash to their favorite charities. Spread around the goodwill.