New Downtown Casino - Vegas

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  1. TDVegas, Jan 11, 2019

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    while it looks beautiful, no one is bringing anything to las vegas that isn't already there in boatloads.

    if someone wants to build a winner, put in inexpensive rooms, inexpensive food, and offer better odds on slots and table games.

    seems like most new casinos are going the opposite way, almost to alienate a lot of gamblers.

    sky high prices, lower odds on tables, any way they can pinch a penny they are doing. I miss old las vegas.
     
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  3. Mssthis1, Jan 12, 2019

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    The younger generations would rather play games on their phone than go to a casino. For better or worse that's the direction that gambling is going to have to take eventually if they want to survive.

    May be this year, may be 30 years from now.
     
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  5. MisterInside, Jan 12, 2019

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    GREAT POST, TD!

    We stay exclusively Downtown, our last 5 trips to The Cal. We see no reason
    that will change. We'll have a helluva view of that monster TV set from there in
    February 2021.

    To the Debbie Downers out there, Downtown LV already offers less expensive rooms,
    less expensive food, more and better perks and better odds than Strip casinos.
     
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  6. Twelve4s, Jan 12, 2019

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    This article is interesting. I was immediately curious as to how much this boondoggle is going to cost? Somehow it’s a secret? Someone is going to lose a shitload of $$$ on this farce, and you can be sure it won’t be the Stevens brothers. They really think they can turn downtown Vegas into the strip? So they’re going to ruin the only remaining appeal of gambling downtown. I wonder how much the Circa is going to charge for resort fees? They’re going to need a boat load of whales to pay the nut on this place, and there sure aren’t going to be any $5 tables to grind at.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...l-casino-in-downtown-las-vegas-video-1570911/
     
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  7. TDVegas, Jan 12, 2019

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    He must think it's a go. First brand new, ground up casino with what looks like a lot of bells and whistles. It will certainly stand out amongst the older venues.

    It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Haven't seen (can't) the numbers for how the D is doing....but I have too assume they are very good. Same for the reinvented Golden Gate.

    If I had to guess....this new place will be a success. This guy Stevens will work 24/7 to ensure that. True workaholic. Plus, he knows what he's doing. Seems to have a very good "gamblers mind" and isn't just a bean counter.

    If there is any ownership down there totally involved with Fremont...it's him.

    You won't find Tillman Fertitta at the Golden Nugget bar.
    Bill Boyd or whoever is running that show isn't walking thru the casino.
    Binions and 4 Queens...I don't even know who owns them (TLC??)

    Derek is a fixture downtown. If anyone makes a new place a success...it will be him. He loves sports and this sports book looks unbelievable.
     
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    TD, you live in Summerlin and seem to hang at the RR for the convenience. It’s close by and gives you a reasonable bang for your buck. From what you’ve posted in the past, you rarely venture downtown. I would speculate that most Vegas residents rarely go Downtown. So how often will you go to the Circa once it’s open? Probably a few times until the novelty wears off? Maybe this Derek fellow is a hard worker, and a great promoter and I hope his Circa is a success, but do you really think he’s going to attract thousands of black chip players to that street corner in Vegas? Nickel players will not keep that place afloat.
     
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  9. Mssthis1, Jan 12, 2019

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    I hope it succeeds just well enough that downtown doesn't lose the character it has now. We regularly visit the area. The downtown Grand is a nice compromise. Nice clean well lit casino with a small local casino feel.

    We used to go to the Nugget a lot but I feel it is too dark and cramped now. That, and I don't like the wider rails they have on the craps table.

    Decent Black jack and the old school reel slut devices is usually what pulls me into their door.
     
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    ..."Circa will have 777 rooms",...

    Well that's a good number!

    I like the idea of staying downtown, the exposure to the good, the bad and the ugly. Walking here and there, $5 water the whole 9 yards.
     
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    Sure. 5 minutes.
    Yep. Nice place too.
    That's true. Super majority of locals do not venture to the strip or downtown on a regular basis. Just doesn't happen. It's a tourist Mecca, not a locals Mecca. It's also priced that way. Locals who move here soon realize this.

    I do go for special occasions....see a show, fine dinner, visit relatives in town and sometimes just to see what's new. I venture downtown less often.
    True. People do live downtown...so I'm sure many utilize the offerings. That's based on their proximity.
    When the Lucky Dragon opened....I went once. That's it. Since closed, but I would not have gone back. I will go to this new place to check it out. That's likely it. It's not going to be a hang out or regular place to go for locals like me.

    This place will rely on tourists and Downtowners with a few extra bucks in their pockets.
    No question. I had serious doubts when he totally re did the old Fitzgeralds...as to whether he could attract enough to warrant the upgrade...really a rebuild, casino wise. It worked. He's expanding.

    If it was anyone else....I might have more doubts.

    I do not think this will fail like the lucky dragon. He has two things going for him. Downtown location and experience.

    Time will tell
     
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  12. TDVegas, Jan 12, 2019

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    Stevens is a different mold of casino owner....

    This is a guy who loves to gamble. Big sports bettor.

    Typical casino owner...
    Murren?.....I don't think he's gambled a $1 in all his life
    Wynn didn't gamble
    Adelson plays $25 blackjack
    Kerkorian gave up gambling in 1947

    I'm not so sure how much money he wants out of this place or if it's his only priority. He's not a bean counter type owner like Murren.

    I’m also not sure who or if he has partners. It’s it him and his brother self funding and borrowing from a bank...there may be less exposure to count every dollar—-as opposed to having partners.

    He may be willing to accept far less profit for himself...as its a hang out for him. It's like the guy who buys a bar for him and his friends. Oh, he'll make money....but he also has other things just as important. The action. The vibe. This guy actually likes to hang out in the casino.

    The Fertitta brothers. In 8 years...I've never seen either one in the casino. Ever. I'm told when they did show up...Frank walked around with his nose in the air and Lorenzo walked around looking at his feet. Plus...5 flunky body guards.

    Derek is a different breed.
     
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    I didn't think of that. You can place a $5 craps bet 24/7 in any Downtown casino, except Golden Nugget after 7pm. At least that's been my experience. There are multiple drawings of Circa out there. Most show the tower by The Cal but at least one shows it up against the Fremont Street Experience canopy.
     
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    We always go out there for our February 7th anniversary. That usually coincides with the Landry Group annual field meetings. One night, we were having a drink at the Nugget lounge and we were sitting 15 feet away from the guy. He was surrounded by 4 bodyguards as various field managers came up to kiss the ring. No shit.
     
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    This article has lots of great info and numerous videos about everything.

    Theirs going to be a 200ft outdoor bar on Freemont St. Maybe this Derek guy has a secret plan to wipe out all the dirtbags on Freemont St? Otherwise, while you’re drinking your pint at his bar, you’ll be hit up a dozen times for bus fare.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...l-casino-in-downtown-las-vegas-video-1570911/
     
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    I don't think the Debbie downers attitude keeps people away from downtown. The past reputation and a false sense of security of people thinking the strip is safer.
    I do recall years ago me and my wife getting in a cab at 3am and telling him to go downtown, he asked us twice, are you sure you want to go downtown at this time of night?

    and the fact that most of the hotels are much older than the average strip hotel, people just don't care for that, they want the new and fancy. Im sure this new hotel will draw its crowd for a bit, then it will die down and blend in with other downtown venues.
    Last time I went downtown, 2012 with my adult children, every 30 feet while out walking someone else bothered us. easy to ignore them or shrug them off, but for first timers, Im sure its uncomfortable.

    Im not knocking downtown, I haven't even been to the strip the last 2 visits to Nevada, and doubt Id go to the strip unless I was going to a show, or get free rooms.
     
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    How does Golden Nugget do it? Their occupancy rate is close to 90% and they make money on all pieces of their business. The GN has about 1800 rooms, double Circa. I think that they put $300 million into that pool thing. Tell ya this, their buffet sucks since they moved it upstairs.

    Traffic at The D dwarfs traffic that Fitz's generated, in my opinion. Stevens know his shit and connects with the younger crowd. He was into Bitcoin. I wonder if he made a bundle there?

    Besides, a billion dollars ain't what it use to be. Just ask Jeff Bezos.

    Good luck with your picks, especially the Indy game.
     
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    Go Colts!

    I think the snow gives Colts an advantage. Should be a great game!
     
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    Fremont street is actually better than the strip as far as panhandlers. There is a homeless presence but they usually hang out in a couple areas on the side streets and can't panhandle since they went to the lottery system for street performer spots. Any panhanders are quickly removed by security. If you take side streets to the Down Town Grand, El Cortez or Main Street Station you can usually avoid them with a little situational awareness.

    Ceasars used to have a video baccarat game that was fairly easy to beat right inside the front door. That was by far the worst location for panhandlers that I've run into in Vegas. They'd routinely walk through there and If they saw you had a decent amount of credits, you'd get the "down on my luck" routine.

    Rio is bad too during the wsop.
     
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    I've never felt uncomfortable Downtown.

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    I do like to move around from casino to casino. I'm pretty tight with a buck and I prefer
    beer to champagne. That kind of sums me up, for better or worse.
     
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