Oklahoma Card Craps

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  1. BostonDice, Sep 13, 2015

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    I'll be traveling on business to Oklahoma and was planning on checking out one of the local casinos. From what I read dice are prohibited from casinos in Oklahoma, so they play a variation of craps using playing cards.

    Does anyone have any experience playing card craps? Are the odds/bets the same?

    This is what the casino website has to say:

    "Card Craps is a table game usually played by several players. with one of the players being the shooter. Players make wagers on the outcome of the roll. hand or a series of hands. Instead of rolling the dice, the shooter is given a roller ball to hit, which initiates the rolling of the dice on the screen. Using a special deck of 36 cards. the stickman draws a card from an electronic shuffling device and scans the card. The stickman verfies that the card matches the dice on the screen before announcing the results of the roll. All players bet on the same roll regardless of who is shooting.

    Players make their bets before the card is scanned. In order to be the shooter. you must make a pass line or don't pass bet, then continue shooting until a "seven-out" hand results. After each round. the roller ball passes clockwise. If you do not want to be the shooter, you can pass it to the next person."
     
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  2. NewrollerFB, Sep 13, 2015

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    there are different variations of card based craps...I have never heard of the one you described above...all the versions I have played used real dice and people rolling the dice with cards used to determine the number for that roll..what casino is it?
     
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  3. BostonDice, Sep 14, 2015

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    I went today. The Hard Rock in Tulsa. The one craps table was closed (only open Tues-Sat). I asked them how it works. There is a 36 card deck. On each card is a picture of one of the possible 36 dice combinations. The dealer pulls a card from the chute and that's the "roll". After each "roll" the card is returned to the continuous shuffler. So it's same odds as dice.

    Since craps was closed I tried my hand at blackjack. Little did I know they charge a $0.50 ante per hand. So for every 10 hands you play, you automatically lose $5. Ridiculous. I didn't stay long.

    If I go back to check out the card craps, I'll take a video and upload to my craps YouTube channel BostonDice777.
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Sep 14, 2015

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    Doesn't appear that there will be "safe" and "unsafe" outcomes at this form of craps, eh?

    What, only 36 outcomes?
     
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  5. BostonDice, Sep 14, 2015

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    Not sure what you mean. Forgive me, I'm 6 months removed from this forum. I took a short hiatus. Please fill me in.
     
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    Boston,

    It's more for tt123, Dave and lone irish digit. Some Linaway stuff.

    Good to see you back.
     
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  7. BostonDice, Sep 14, 2015

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    Gotcha. I have some catching up to do. It's good to be back.
     
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  8. rudeboy99, Sep 14, 2015

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    Can anyone comment on the games speed? I've often wondered if card craps can have the same fast action as a well run dice game.
     
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    game speed is about the same....maybe a touch slower....one version I have seen has 6 boxes on the layout in front of the box man...each box has a number 1 to 6..they hand shuffle six cards and then place a card in each box face up....the shooter rolls the dice....let's say the roll comes up a 2 and a 5....well that is not necessarily a 7....the boxman takes the cards that are in the 2 box and the 5 box and that is your number...so if the 2 box has a card with a 1 and the 5 box has a card with a 4 then the number is 5...that's the number you "rolled". If you roll a 4 and a 4 on the dice (H8)....then the box uses the 4 box twice...so if the 4 box had the number 3...then you "rolled" a Hard 6.....so it really does not slow things down that much...another version I have seen is the shooter rolls 2 different colored dice, red and a blue. There are 2 sets of cards....red cards and blue cards...there is an auto shuffler that shuffles both decks....the stickman takes one blue card and one red card and places them face down on the table...the shooter rolls and whichever dice has the higher number, lets say red...the stick flips that card over...the card has a picture of 2 dice...whatever that picture is that is the number....so the decks have every dice combo that could be thrown.....not sure if I care for this version as much as the first, because the cards are face down and you don't get to see the other card.....I saw A LOT of 7s get flipped over....but speed isn't really affected that much either.....
     
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    What is the rationale behind the use of cards to play craps rather than dice?

    Are states and territories that use cards instead of dice working on the assumption that dice can be loaded and cheated with but cards can not?

    Probably a case of genius politicians believing they are protecting their tax-paying citizenry.
     
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    I asked that question myself.....these types of games are at Indian casinos usually in states where table games are not legal anywhere but there.....I think the rationale might be that the cards take the out come out of the hands of the players and it is the card that determines a win or a loss...I live near Tampa and I go to the Seminole Hard Rock...they have 2 bubble craps games but no live tables.....there is no "push the button" tables...the game does the shaking of the dice table and settles after a few seconds...no human interaction so I guess that is what makes it ok to have those type of bubble machines....seems kinda silly to me though....a lot of people I talk to at the bubble machines are hoping that when they figure out the new contract with the state, they will allow live tables instead of just the bubble.
     
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    I know in Cali the tribes agreed to no old school craps with dice as a condition on the original compact, an agreement between the state and the tribes laying out the rules of play, the financial end and the establishment of industry parameters.:cool: I don't care how you soft soap the card version, with all the additional moves required to keep the game moving there's no way a decent crew could keep it moving with the speed of a real dice table. Although these days with everybody, even blind players. f**king around, (getting their "set") instead of grabbing and go, I guess I was remembering when back when the games moved at a blistering pace.
     
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    I honestly think it was the dealers that slowed the game down the most when I played the 6 card version...I think one was really green and she had issues with payouts and keeping things smooth...the only real difference during a roll was the box pushing the cards used for the roll and that only took about 2 seconds...and the payouts gave him time to put them back in their boxes.....on the 7 out the cards have to be shuffled again, and that took the most time, because it was the stick who did it and then pushed the dice to the next shooter
     
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    The card version as explained is much intricate and complex than dealing the dice version.
     
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    not really...the dealers still just post the bets as called and pay out the winners and collect the losers.....it is mostly the stick and box that have one or two extra duties....the stick shuffles the 6 cards after a 7 out and puts them in their boxes on the layout in front of the box. The box watches the roll and indicates the cards the dice have chosen....that's it.....once the dice stop he reads the up faces and then calls out the number from the respective cards and the dealers do their thing...the only added time is waiting for the box to see what dice have stopped on and indicate which cards are used to determine the number......it seemed to be smoother when the new girl was on the stick and not having to payout place bets etc.....I am sure you would catch on in about 2 seconds and be in the groove
     
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    the 2 colored dice version the stick turns over a red or blue card whichever rolled dice(red or blue) had the higher number....the auto shuffler spits the cards out for every roll......was not fond of this type the 7 seemed to hit in unusual amounts
     
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  17. BostonDice, Sep 15, 2015

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    Just left the casino. The card version actually wasn't dreadful. It moved with the speed of a normal dice game and was just as suspenseful. It was bizarre though how they give the cards to the shooter. The stick shuffles the cards between each roll. They then push the deck of cards to the shooter who inserts a cut card into the deck. The stick then flips over the card beneath the cut card, displaying one of the 36 dice combinations.

    I took a video of the game so everyone can see. Will be posted as soon as I'm home.
     
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    that sounds pretty boring....I don't think I would enjoy it so much....did you play? at least the ones I played ya got roll some dice :)
     
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    It wasn't that bad. I didn't play though. Reason being they charge an "ante" to play. On every come-out roll you have to pay $1 ante. If a 7/11 shows, you pay $1 again because it's now a new come-out. Once a point is established you don't pay the ante until the next come-out. The whole thing is ridiculous IMO.
     
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    Damn...the HA on all the other bets isn't enough for them? they take an additional $1 on every CO? seems pretty freakin greedy.....I would not play either
     
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