On the come-out

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  1. dustedone, Apr 11, 2011

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    The shooter has sevened-out. You have just walked up to the table and found a open spot. The table placard reads $5 min, $5000 max, 3X4X5X odds. The table is fresh. The button is "OFF". What is your wager on the come-out?

    Is it the old standard $5 on the PASS LINE w/ a $2 "C&E"?
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Apr 11, 2011

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    Before I place a bet on the felt the shooter must qualify i.e. demonstrate to me he can win. Until a shooter qualifies I make no bets. You can make up your own qualification rules.

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  3. dustedone, Apr 12, 2011

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    For your parameters, the only spot, that opened up just happened to be vacated, was the next up to shoot. How about about it? Would you step-up to wager and shoot? Or pass the dice and wait for that hot shooter?
     
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    I would shoot! And of course play the passline with SOME (probably not max) odds at first.
     
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  6. dustedone, Apr 12, 2011

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    Any booked wagers? And amounts?
     
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    Well, you couldn t lay any odds until a point has been established, but would you just wager the min on the PASS LINE only?

    No, come-out hedge with a any CRAPS to cover the PASS LINE wager?
     
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    probably for me
    Okay my pass line bet will be min plus a craps check if there is fire I will bet 1 or me and the dealers,any 7/11 I hit my craps stays up any craps I hit gos to a 3 way craps bet. If I make a point rite away I will put down 1x odds and 1 D H W if point is 4,6,8,or 10. If I hit the 6/8 will probably place the other along with a H W bet. If I hit several 7/11 or craps on the come out I will bet 5,6,8,1x plus the field 1x and all the H W for 1 D. I hope you can understand my mumbo jumbo I do not have a way with words.
     
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  9. basicstrategy777, Apr 12, 2011

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    In some places the stick would by-pass me if I just walked up to the table, and he would send the dice to the person to my immediate left.

    If he gave me the dice I would place a minimum bet on the PL and go into my usual routine of betting.

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  10. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 13, 2011

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    I would definitely not take the dice immediately. I get mildly irritated when someone steps in front of me, particularly if the only reason I am still at the table is to take one last shot at glory, so I will not step in front of anybody else. (I also let the crew know I am passing the dice for this round only.)

    I would make no bets immediately. How I would bet after the comeout depends on which side I had decided to play, which in turn might depend on the mood at the table. I use the 5-count if I'm going front side, so I would hold off betting until that criteria had been satisfied. I use a Don't Come progression (to avoid "betting against the shooter") on the dark side, so in that case I would start making bets after the next shooter had established a point.
     
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  11. DeMango, Apr 13, 2011

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    Why is this the standard??? I mean the chicken and eggs part. Is it standard to make a high house advantage bet? That's a pretty stupid standard is it not?

    And another thing. I just walked up to the table into the best shooting position to the right of you. So you want me to pass the dice to you so you can again stink things up? Would you not, having half a brain, have moved to that better shooting position in the first place???

    Yes I probably would make a minimal pass line bet, to see if my shooting was on. But if there were more than three at the table I'm not wasting my time unless I'm desperate to gamble.

    Read "The Art of War". You pick the battle. And that my friend is where you are at, a battle. Visit a cluster of casinos or tables, so you have a choice of where to do battle.
     
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  12. $nakeEye$, Apr 14, 2011

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    Okay, I'll bite !

    Different strokes for different folks - that's life !

    Everybody has their own opinion - opinions are like a**holes - everyone has one and most of them stink !

    So here is mine - on the come-out I will place the 5, 6 and 8 for 2X $, I will make a field bet for 1X $, I will declare " Everything is working on the come-out " - I will also do a $1 bet on the hardways.

    Unless I am the shooter I will make no PL/DPL wager - why should I be subject to a contract wager.

    If I am the shooter - I will make table min PL wager - no odds - and will do as described above - PB 5,6 +8 and make my field bet.
    Throw $1 on the hardways and declare " Everything works on the come out ".

    Basically, the only difference is the $ amount wagered on myself and others.
     
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  13. dustedone, Apr 14, 2011

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    I think I over stepped my parameters here; gonna start a new thread. But, must say I am liking responses. Let s keep them coming gang.

    I really like $nakeEyes come-out, very aggressive and similar to my own play. I must say, I rarely book a wager on the hard-ways myself. If I do, FOURS and TENS. I always buy my gas at pump #4 or #10; sound nuts, huh?
     
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  14. tercol58, Apr 14, 2011

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    I think I have walked rite up and got the dice before as you describe,I know people have stepped up in front of me rite before my roll before never thought much about it unless I was about to leave but no big deal to me I guess I never considered proper etiquette I will try to watch this in the future though.
     
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  15. dustedone, Apr 14, 2011

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    As a fresh chucker, I first started out with a few casino offered classes on craps. And most "teachers", may I say preached, preached this strategy. And I say, it is practiced by many. I use to follow the advice and seemingly offered up my meager stake to the corporate casino machine. But have since moved on to better offerings through a better education or bettor education. You take your pick.
     
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    So you think the craps check is a bad strategy also? I can see not betting the yo on the come and I do not but the craps check I think has saved me money in the long and made me a little at times.
     
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  17. dustedone, Apr 14, 2011

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    I am a darkside bettor, and I don t back-up my DON T PASS LINE wager w/ a "BIG RED."

    I never pass the dice. And on the come-out I book a $40 on the DON T PASS LINE, a working $30 PLACE on both the SIX and EIGHT, and $4 2-way FIVE hopping. I used to PLACE the FIVE for $20.
     
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  18. dustedone, Apr 14, 2011

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    If one is to book a $5 min on the PASS LINE, then a $1 craps check; is so-so insurance for the novice player. A seasoned gambler would most definitately increase his PASS LINE wager by a least 5X the min and book a $3 three-way crap.
     
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  19. yacraps, Feb 22, 2020

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    ...i know this is a old thread so what is this member saying here...a 2 way to me is a bet for me and a bet for the crew so is he hopping the FIVE for the crew also? or is he trying to say hop the five 2 dollar each?
     
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  20. basicstrategy777, Feb 22, 2020

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    hop the 4-1 and hop the 3-2......

    and you are correct in questioning what he meant......instructions to the dealer must not be subject to misinterpretation....it is for this reason the word "each" is so valuable when calling out your bet. As you know, this word of wisdom is in my book.

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