On the come-out

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  1. The Midnight Skulker, Feb 22, 2020

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    One of the oldest shots in the book is to walk up to a $5 table with your hands in your pockets and call for "6 and 8 for six bills each". If the dealer books the bet you got yourself one hell of a deal, for if either number hits you pull 12 c-notes out of your pocket to cover the call and take the bets down, otherwise you pull $12 out of your other pocket and leave, taking your bets down if the roll was neutral. Alan Shank (aka goatcabin) reported that this shot was specifically mentioned in a dealers' manual he had.

    I'm with you; "two ways" means the player and the crew. Since there are two ways to hop the 5 the quoted call is ambiguous. As Basic Sevens notes it could mean $2 each way for the player, or $1 each way for both the player and the crew. Hence a good dealer would call "no bet" to get a clarification; a not-so-good dealer could become the victim of a shot-taker.

    At a $10 table at Foxwoods a player tossed a nickel to the stick and called for "a $5 four". The stick booked a $5 hard 4. [3][1] rolled and the player wanted to be paid, pointing to the "4" in the Field when no payoff was forthcoming. I can't say for certain the player was not taking a shot, but I don't think he was. Best to learn the jargon of a game before playing it,

    Yours truly innocently got caught making an ambiguous bet at Riviera LV a few eons ago. Walked up to a table with a shooter coming out. Shooter established a point. Dice went out as I put my buyin on the table so I called, "$10 they don't." Stick and base dealer called, "No bet," as the dice rolled. I belatedly realized I should have called, "$10 they don't come."
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Feb 22, 2020

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    midnite makes excellent points. calling out unambiguous bets to the dealer may not be as easy as it seems.

    777
     
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  3. KokomoJoe4, Feb 22, 2020

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    jargon on that result is three and a pimple, which equals four, and the $5 four needs to be paid $9.

    If the stick placed the bet incorrectly, the customer is always right, at least always on the first dispute.
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, Feb 22, 2020

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    I have to disagree. Later at a different table there was a similar dispute at the end opposite mine during which I recounted the "$5 4" to my base dealer. She got a chuckle out of it, remarking, "And on a $10 table yet."

    I see your point; because the player did not specify hard 4 I could argue that the bet was ambiguous if forced to do so. Nevertheless, I defend the stickman.
    1. The only way to book a $5 4 on a $10 table is on the hard way.
    2. If the player wanted to place the 4 he should have given the nickel to the base dealer.
    3. When the player did not get paid he pointed to the "4" in the Field, not to the box number.
    #3 strongly suggests the player was clueless, and possibly also taking a shot. Were I sitting box I might have been tempted to refund the nickel as a PR move depending on my mood and my take on the player's intent, but I do not fault the crew for the action they actually took (i.e. locking up the bet).

    I say again . . .
    IMHO it is the players' responsibility to ensure they are getting the action they want. It's your money, but JG Wentworth won't take your call if you don't get the structured payoff you thought you would.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Feb 23, 2020

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    Sorry MS, I missed the fact that it was a $10 table. ;)
     
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  6. yacraps, Feb 23, 2020

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    ...yes it is and along with several others..;) its a fun read and enjoyed it

    the language that he used I would think like you said $1 each way for player and the crew we know what was intended but in the end how you pointed out Midnight clarification must be made
     
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  7. von duck, Feb 23, 2020

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    Duh? :)
     
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  8. von duck, Feb 23, 2020

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    Now THIS, is actually real good advice. So, who hacked your handle? :cool:
     
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  9. DeMango, Feb 24, 2020

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    5's hop for X$. That's the right call
     
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  10. dustedone, Mar 5, 2020

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    Well Happy leap year; good to see this old thread!!!!

    Oddly enough, this was part of a stepping stone for my play today.

    Really, this forum is a great wealth of knowledge; to bad for off topic chatter and trolls. But happens on all forums

    Good luck in 2020

    Glad to see the XFL is back
     
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  11. Night Attack, Mar 5, 2020

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    Over here in the land of no toilet paper, all bets must be made via your base dealer. Any chips tossed to the stick just get returned and end up slowing the game down.

    Dusty, how is your 5/9 hopping progression going?
     
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  12. von duck, Mar 6, 2020

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    OK "MR On Topic", What does the XFL have to do with, "on the comeout"? :confused: Maybe it's NOT the trolls, but the Sock puppets. :cool:
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Mar 6, 2020

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    Yes, from what is recalled you get out some large wagers, and had not run into a big loser. Hope this is still the case Duste.
     
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  14. DeMango, Mar 6, 2020

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    Of course the hugh so called advantage would be the more liberal hop payouts at certain Vegas casinos. Getting 16 - 1 instead of 15 - 1 is hugh. Then there are certain shameless casinos at 15 for 1.
     
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  15. Settingcanthurt, Mar 6, 2020

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    Get mine boxed up. PM coming.
     
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  16. Settingcanthurt, Mar 6, 2020

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    as he makes off-topic chatter. But he is right. Great read.
     
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  17. Settingcanthurt, Mar 6, 2020

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    Commercial supply???? Them big rolls????
     
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  18. von duck, Mar 6, 2020

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    Ya, I'll bet that's what 777 uses. :D
     
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  19. basicstrategy777, Mar 7, 2020

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    Got it and responded....thanks....777
     
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