Opposite sides = 7

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  1. TDVegas, May 13, 2019

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    LOL. I told you he was trolling.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, May 13, 2019

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    TDV,

    Yet another IDIOT that is uninformed about Biased Dice.

    Nope, one cannot educate a ""Know It All""!!!

    To your own Peril @ CRAPS...

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. von duck, May 14, 2019

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    Fine, we'll just bypass, EE2, and get on with the business of defining what this bias WOULD do. :cool:
     
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  4. eagleeye2, May 14, 2019

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    von duck,

    Yet another IDIOT that is uninformed about Biased Dice.

    Nope, one cannot educate a ""Know It All""!!!

    To your own Peril @ CRAPS...

    eagleeye2
     
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  5. von duck, May 14, 2019

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    OK, using the numbers in the left column, lets just see what this VERY biased die would do to the game. Let's start with the come out.
    Normal result for 7/11 vs any craps for 72 come outs would result in a pass line +8 net. With the biased die in play, you would have 12/7s + 5/11s minus 1/2 3/3s 2/12s, for a net of +11, so we are 3 bets better on the naturals, for 72 come outs. The rest of the game would play out the same as always, though low points 4,5,6, would win less often, and high points 8,9,10, would win more often. Pretty interesting huh? The biased dice, actually HELPED the player. WTF? :confused: As soon as you've had a chance to read this, I'm going to delete this post, because this information, is too sensitive, to be released to the general public. I am swearing all members and guests secrecy. This information if widely known, could well upset the order of the universe, the COSMOS if you will.
    I believe this to be an accurate assessment, using the dice defined in post # 45. :cool: I'll bet you're surprised, I am also, a little surprised. :)
     
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  6. The Midnight Skulker, May 14, 2019

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    Yikes! Little did I realize how nocuous -- that's the opposite of innocuous -- my alter ego's antics could be when I posted #48! You don't suppose I was the one who caused the disturbance in The Farce Obi Wan Kanobodi felt retroactively in that galaxy far away, do you?
     
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  7. eagleeye2, May 14, 2019

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    von duck,

    No not surprised about your Bull Shit!!!

    Like I stated Previously:

    Yet another IDIOT that is uninformed about Biased Dice.

    Nope, one cannot educate a ""Know It All""!!!

    To your own Peril @ CRAPS...

    eagleeye2
     
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  8. TDVegas, May 14, 2019

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    For me...it’s simple. One die biased to 6.

    Let’s assume so biased that in six rolls we always got 6.

    The other dice was not biased. So, we assume rolls of 1-2-3-4-5-6.

    I get ONE 7 EVERY 6 rolls.

    Not sure what the guy living in a box thinks....but I’m sure it’s not “thinks”.
     
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  9. von duck, May 14, 2019

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    Alright "Homer". I haven't even run the points yet, but I'll bet they run a little more positive for the player also. You just make statements, as if you knew anything, you don't. You can't even figure out why I used 72 normalized comeouts instead of 36. DOH! :) "Saying that it is so, does not make it so" Sir Isaac Newton.
     
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  10. von duck, May 14, 2019

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    A die that always rolls six, also favors the player on the come out. It would produce 12 come out winners to 6 losers, in 36 normalized come outs. That's a net +6. Very interesting. :cool:
     
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  11. gargoil01, May 14, 2019

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    Anyone notice how Buzzard face posts are very similar to $nakeEye$ posts? The way he puts white spaces between the lines and uses all caps? Hmmm... Very interesting. Von Duck this could prove why he is an idiot when you are trying to explain to him real math with facts...

    G
     
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  12. eagleeye2, May 14, 2019

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    gargoil01,

    You guys are a Double HOOT!!!

    Yes, multiple IDIOT's that are uninformed about Biased Dice.

    Nope, one cannot educate ""Know It All's""!!!

    To your own Peril @ CRAPS...

    eagleeye2
     
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  13. DeMango, May 15, 2019

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    We need a new poll. Dumbest mu-fu on the board. I say Harley by a nose over Too Dense.
     
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  14. James Hall, May 15, 2019

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    Definition of trolling:
    To post any fact or opinion which is directly or indirectly
    contrary to any opinion posted by a member of
    "THE GROUP OF INSIDERS".
     
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  15. DeMango, May 15, 2019

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    I see AssHall replied. Sorry Jimmy, the best you can do is third place.
     
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  16. von duck, May 15, 2019

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    OK, now just for your enjoyment, I'm going to "run" a couple of the numbers, just to see what happens. Originally I predicted that they would run the same as two straight dice, but let's check it out.
    Again we are working with dice which have the bias, as defined in post # 45 and 50 of this thread. Taking the 4/10 combinations, and as a reminder, we are figuring for 72 come-outs, to reduce dealing with fractions.
    These dice would produce 7 tens and 5 fours, for a total of 12 combinations, same as straight dice, but because of the bias we are " "weighted" 42.5% to 57.5% to the 10.
    The five fours, will produce 5X 5/17= 25/17 = 1.471 winners and 3.529 losers, for a net loss of 2.058 units, when the four is the point.
    The 7 tens, will produce, 7X 7/19 = 49/19 = 2.58 winners and 4.42 losers, for a net loss of 1.84 units.
    So, in 72 come-outs, the 4/10 combinations will produce a net loss of 2.058 + 1.84 = 3.898 units. A normal (unbiased) pair of dice would produce a net loss of 4.00 units, on the same combinations. So, again, these biased dice offer a better game to the player, then straight dice. Surprised? So am I. I'll run the other combinations later today, so that we will know what the total effect of this bias is. Sorry EE2, but this is what I deem to be, the absolute truth. If you can find a math error, then by all means, show the correction. If anybody else can find a flaw in the applied logic, please chime in, and show the error. I seek only to find the correct answer, if I am wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I believe the figures offered, are correct. Resolve to find the truth, even if it means you were wrong, previously. :cool:
     
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  17. James Hall, May 15, 2019

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    In any contest of this nature , you know you will win them all
    HANDS DOWN.
    You will always be the , "DUMBEST mu-fu of all time
    "at anyplace you ever gonna be at".
     
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  18. James Hall, May 15, 2019

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    good try but once again you fall well short.
    You were correct in your assessment James Hall did , REPLY"
    I did not , "APPLY".
    Confine your BS to your , "LITTLE GROUP".
     
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  19. eagleeye2, May 15, 2019

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    von duck,

    There is NO Mathematics in your B.S. above, just von duck fabricated B.S., which you hope the folks will believe!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  20. TDVegas, May 15, 2019

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    He's not....for two reasons. One, he has no clue how to refute the numbers. Two, he's trolling.

    On more 7's....As he's been asked "how the bias will account for more 7's" about 300 times already....and he won't give that answer. The reason he won't give that answer is because there is no answer. It's a snipe hunt.
     
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