Opposite sides = 7

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  1. Mssthis1, May 15, 2019

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    Eagle: Biased dice will always benefit the player IF they can identify said bias and are wise enough to bet accordingly. It's no different the the whole premise of DI. In both cases you're altering probability, either by an out of balance dice or your tossing, it makes no difference.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, May 15, 2019

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    WRONGO Mssthis1,

    BIASED DICE will always BENEFIT the CASINO using them!!!

    Play there @ your own PERIL!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. TDVegas, May 15, 2019

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    I assume his argument is that it doesn't account for the switcheroo? If said table and players figure out bias....those dice will be covertly switched out during a hand so that the "new" bias dice induces results that go against the current betting. Cat and mouse, if you will.

    Then again, he can’t do basic math....so, who knows what his claim is. Magnets?
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, May 15, 2019

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    Aren't you neglecting the 9:5 or 2:1 (less vig) payment on 4|10? I'm sticking to my 9.05% player advantage story.

    Hardeight figured this out a few years ago. No need to swap dice; just flip the switch.
     
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  5. eagleeye2, May 15, 2019

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    TDV,

    What I am saying is that Weight Biased Dice ALWAYS BENEFIT the Casino, in & of themselves.

    Now, assuming that one Identifies that BIAS & takes Betting Countermeasures; IMHO, the CASINO'S additional advantage, still outweighs ones Betting Countermeasures.

    Bottom Line, assuming you suspect BASED DICE in play, verify it via a Visual Count Technique & if found that that Casino is employing BIASED DICE, EXIT that CASINO post haste!

    eagleeye2
     
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  6. TDVegas, May 15, 2019

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    Um....I know what you are saying (one can read)....but there is no why. Hasn’t been since you started this subject.

    It’s trolling.

    You’ve been asked the question why it leads to more 7’s. There’s never been an answer.

    Carry on.
     
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  7. Mssthis1, May 15, 2019

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    There was a guy on Facebook recently claiming that the pit boss started using the computer screen and he sevened out because of whatever the pit boss did.

    I wonder if that was Eagle?
     
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  8. TDVegas, May 15, 2019

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    I've probably heard most....

    "It's the weekend, proceed with caution"
    "Everyone lost...somethings wrong"
    "Magnets"
    "Automatic shuffle is setting cards"
    "You know there are magnets in there"

    Haven't heard the computer screen one.

    People will groan on bubble craps if an attendant opens an empty terminal.

    Nature of the beast and personalities. If someone thinks one game is rigged or set, common sense tells me they will say that for every game IF things don't go well for them.
     
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    See my post “The jig is up eagleeye2” on 6/12/16 where I prove you wrong and show the correct mathematical method to calculate the effects of bias. I doubt you will understand it with only 6th grade math. You need to understand probabilities.
     
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  10. eagleeye2, May 15, 2019

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    Fred P,

    The guy that does not have an Alma Mater, yet claims to have gone to College???

    Just what level of Math Classes did you take???

    Yah, I recall you were going to get a Professor to verify or disprove my analysis, but that one failed, Yuck, Yuck, Yuck...

    eagleeye2
     
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  11. von duck, May 15, 2019

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    No!, I'm NOT. As stated these results are for pass line bets, all of which, pay even money. The place bets are another animal altogether, and maybe we'll deal with that after I finish the numbers for 9/5, and 6/8 combinations. For now we are just dealing with the pass line probabilities. :)
     
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  12. von duck, May 15, 2019

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    Thank you MR. HAUL. :D I'm sure there will be a madd rush to THAT post. Yawn.
     
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    The one about the computer screen has some merit. :)
     
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  14. Night Attack, May 15, 2019

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    Cen someone try this if possible? Run a simulation of a million or so rolls with only one die and whatever the result is we just add six to it (as the biased die). Then we add up all the sevens and see how many more or less there are than probability would dictate.
    Where's the Shankman when you need him most?
     
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  15. Mssthis1, May 15, 2019

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    I started manually running one today with die 1 set for an extra .5 of a 1 per 36 rolls and .5 fewer 6's per 36 rolls. The other die is set for random dice.

    I'm buying the 4 for $100 not WOCO and a $25 pass line bet with $250 odds if the point is 4,5,6. No odds if the point is 8,9,10. No pressing.

    Too early to draw conclusions but it's ahead $1170 so far.

    I set bankroll at $10K. It'll be interesting to see if I have a large enough drawdown to bust out at some point since that's pretty hefty betting for a bankroll that small.
     
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  16. von duck, May 15, 2019

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    What would be the purpose. The answer is simple. No matter what the biased die rolls, there is always one face, and only one face of the other die, that will give you a seven. One biased die, will not change the probability of a seven being thrown, notnin one roll, or a million rolls. :)
     
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  17. von duck, May 15, 2019

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    I do not believe there is enough difference to overcome the 5% vig on buy 4, but it might depend if it was prepay or pay on win. :cool:
     
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    But EE2 says it would result in more sevens. Wouldn't the results put an end to it? Someone would have to eat humble pie or at least be better educated.
    Are you willing to accept the results as true and thus put your view on the line? Is EE2?
    I won't look back but I think EE2.said it would result in something like 8% more sevens. If the sim proves to be close to or nowhere near that number then that should resolve it. But maybe we don't want to resolve it and we like this back and forth debate and name calling.
    Given the sim mss is currently running it should be easy enough if you can set one die to always land on 6.
    Personally I don't care what the outcome is but I would lean to the side that seems most logical.
    Can EE2 be right? Are those with opposing views afraid of what the sim may prove?
    I don't know I'm just killing time here till lunch.
     
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  19. von duck, May 15, 2019

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    I am sorry EE2, but I won't be running any more numbers tonight to prove you wrong, but tomorrow, is another day. :)
     
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  20. von duck, May 15, 2019

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    It's such a simple math problem, it doesn't even deserve a second look. Only a complete moron, would fail to get the right answer. :eek: :cool:. Just ask yourself, what could the biased die land on, that would give it a better chance of hitting 7, than one in 6, or a worse chance, than one in 6? The answer is simple, NOTHING! :) EE2's problem, is pathological, he will never admit he was wrong, if he did, he would cease to exist, it's that simple. He IS, his own theory. :cool:
     
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