Place Or Hardway Pressure

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  1. Night Attack, Jul 13, 2018

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    A betting strategy I am working on has me at a conundrum. Suppose I have a $100 hard 6 and it hits.
    Which is the better play from here? Press the hard six by $300 (since the maximum here is $400) or same bet and place the 6 for $300. Whatever you choose I'd like to know the rationale behind it please.
     
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  2. yacraps, Jul 14, 2018

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    Id place the 6 for 300 (Im assuming you have a 180 dollar 6 already) and press the hard way
     
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  3. tabletop123, Jul 14, 2018

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    I'd put it ALL in my rack, & head to the Cage!!! But, but, but, Top....you should never limit your wins!
    WATCH ME!!!!
     
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  4. Mssthis1, Jul 14, 2018

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    Same here: $1000 and down, what's the quickest route to the cage sir?

    I'd rather win $1000 multiple times than let the casino hold my money until I hit the extra parlay.
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Jul 14, 2018

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    First things first. Don’t try this unless you’re wearing a Stetson and a rodeo buckle.

    Press hw to $400 and $400 to cover easy 6, and lay the 10 for 2k. Now you’re gambling.

    Is it 9 to 1 or 9 for 1 where you play?
     
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    That's a bit too rich for me. Plus I don't own a Stetson, or a rodeo buckle.
    9.5 to 1.
     
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    QUOTE="Twelve4s, post: 228015, member: 196675"]First things first. Don’t try this unless you’re wearing a Stetson and a rodeo buckle.

    Press hw to $400 and $400 to cover easy 6, and lay the 10 for 2k. Now you’re gambling.

    Is it 9 to 1 or 9 for 1 where you play?[/QUOTE]

    If its 9 for1 (which pays 8 to 1) I would never play it usually its 9 to 1...or 10 for 1
     
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    At 9.5 wow thats closer to true odds
     
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    Night attack

    I will not say I bet that way, I dont target the hardways.
    But seems to be me given the ratio of a hard 6 to
    an easy 6 makes it pretty hard not to cover that hard bet
    on the 6 with an equal place bet on the 6.

    tdb
     
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  10. Night Attack, Jul 14, 2018

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    But the bubble has them at 9 to 1 and 7 to 1. Stupid bubble machine.
     
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    I'm not going to walk up to the table and put a black chip on the hard six. I wish!
    I best elaborate a bit. Firstly, this type of wager will only come from house money and in the process of a roll.
    If the hand is long enough, and through chips won, when my 6&8 have been pressed to $18 each, only then will I place a $10 hard 6 for example, and rack $11 after a subsequent winner. Bear in mind I have to deal with a minimum $10 table. If the hardway should hit, then it goes to $100 and $5 goes in the rail. 9.5 to 1 here and 7.5 to 1 on the 4/10.
    Same bet on the place bet which is there to basically fund the hardways.

    Now Top and Mss, are you going to head to the cage at this point? If so all good but there'll be no soup for you with $1000 and down.

    So I'm trying to decide where is the point where it is not really worth feeding the hardway and where I may better be served to put that $300 on a place bet instead. I've hit that $100 hardway a few times and just press to $200 but never get the third hit. But it's not like I play the hardway every time I hit the tables. I could go months and never play it but I have seen some things.....
    If the hard 6 goes down for $100 courtesy of an easy 6, then it's back up for $10 and not $100.
     
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    I don't bet that way either TDB. But I currently have about 4 betting strategies I employ during my session. This particular one I won't bet unless I am in front. I believe you need more than just one betting strategy in your kit bag. Two of my other three are very conservative.
     
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    Night Attack,

    Careful here, that Hard 6 for $400 @ 9 to 1, (if hit), will get you a Gambling 1099, whereas placing the 6 for the $300, will NOT!

    Yes, the TAXES (assuming you have to pay them) would make placing the Hard 6 for $400 a BAD BET over Placing the $300 won on the 6.

    eagleeye2
     
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    Good point. But, we do not have to pay taxes here. We could win power ball for $100 million and we get to keep it all. We do not have to pay tax on any windfall unless it is deemed that we are regular windfall recipients.
     
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  15. lone irish digit, Jul 14, 2018

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    This is Barney,

    Mr. Eagles what country do you play craps where a bet payoff of 9 to 1 has to pay the taxes? In the good old USA, the LID pays no taxes at the craps unless he hits a single bet payoff of 300 to 1 or greater.


    Thank you very much
     
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  16. yacraps, Jul 14, 2018

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    Wow thats cool you would think they would tax that to help pay for the (whats it called mate) dull or doe
     
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  17. tabletop123, Jul 14, 2018

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    It took me a while to realize that " Walking" while ahead is the best, & safest route to take. Why stick around for a loser? Ya know it's coming, so why NOT walk? ( Most time it comes Sooner than later)
    Greed is a very hard thing to overcome, ESPECIALLY when you pull your bets, & box numbers are rolled for another 20 rolls or so.
    However, I don't have the " Hindsight is 20/20, I should have stayed & won more money problem", because I am at the Cage, & THEN headed to the Car while the Monster hand is in progress. ( unless I am tossing it)
    A full course meal is always nice, but sometimes ya gotta take the " Sandwich" too.
    Ya eat enough of those sandwiches, & they fill you up just as well as the Full Course meals.

    Guys that practice tossing the dice EXPECT the long rolls. After all....this is WHY we practice. To become proficient at rolling longer hands than probability dictates.
    Me? I expect NOTHING, but will gladly welcome the long hands.
    Some people call this a defeatist attitude. Ya know...the old " you have no confidence, not properly trained bullshit.
    I simply call it reality.
    Now......which way is the fu**king Cage?
     
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  18. lone irish digit, Jul 14, 2018

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    Mr. Gordon,

    The LID bets the hardway hedge you describe quite often when he gets on a most greatest roll. Like Mr. Halls says, craps personage should find a most greatest way to make monies quick when you are playing with houses monies and your DI skills are hitting on all two cylinders.


    Thanky you very muchest
     
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    I don't disagree Top. The only question is when is the optimum time to walk. That time will be different for each and every one of us. If I get in front, I rarely walk out with less than I came in. Just the other day I was behind from the very first bet I made. I hung in there, got back in front after a while and walked at +$14.
     
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    It's called the dole. Those that deliberately live off this unemployment benefit are known as dole bludgers.
     
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