Sarcastic dealers means they fear you...

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  1. Hardeight, Jan 3, 2011

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    The sarcasm still continues from pit bosses and dealers now that I am playing at a new casino.They know me by now but its all fear because I am averaging about 11 or 12 rolls right now.They make sly comments about my style.I like to spin all the dice on the come out to see which weight I like the best.The pit boss says "checking for magnets" and then another time he says "good choice in dice sir" sarcastically so then the crew decides to tease me too.I dropped the dice and told them all "Lots of sarcasm here alot of that means no tips for y'all though and I laughed out loud.Then rolled 3 sevens on the come out roll.Its ok it just inspires me to practice harder and make as much money as I can for everyone
     
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  2. townn01, Jan 3, 2011

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    You are right, I fell and have the same opinion about this, about their attitude I mean...
     
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  3. powerpress74, Jan 21, 2011

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    Actually, you are so far from the truth. I was a dealer for 6 years, I know who paid my salary...YOU, the player did. The casino pays us minimum wage, if not LESS. We do not fear you, we WANT you to win, because if you win, you will probably tip better! We would rather be on a jam up game with an hour roll, than a dead game, anytime!! Unfortunately, there is a sense of arrogance in the dice pit, it is been like that since the game was invented. I guess you can blame it on the wise guys back in the day?? But, yes, it is annoying when players hold the game up dicking with the dice, hell, it annoys me when I am a player. Holding up the game trying to figure out an edge by playing with the dice is useless, Ive seen it, tried it...it doesnt work. This practice is grouped into the same ideals of silly superstitions, thats why they get sarcastic. Just grab the dice and throw them, it is gambling.

    The dice are weighed and measured before they are put on the floor, so you cannot "feel" a difference of weights or widths. There may be a minute variance or weight, but not one great enough to "feel" with your hand, (we are talking micrograms here), and the minute variance is so small that it does not affect they way they fall. No amount of dice setting, dice fondling, or praying will help. You have to hit the back wall, which is made of an irregular surface, then you have the intangibles of the dice hitting chips, each other, the other walls, the dealer's working stacks, and even the hands of clueless players...not to mention the thickness of the layout that will affect the bounce the dice have when landing.

    (BTW, the chips that are on the table are not ours, they are the casino's, so again, why would a dealer fear you?)
     
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  4. Southern-Comfort, Jan 22, 2011

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    You need to remember that dealers are at work. Being at work is the basic same experience for everybody, you want the clock to hit quitting time. A day with alot of distractions make the day go faster (hot table = fun crews with seemingly shorter days). If the dealers are allowed to get bored, yeah you'll get the clock watching and the wanting to speed the clock up, somehow setting the dice slows the clock down. Some very few dealers seem to be able to entertain themselves, and the customers. And by this I am not talking about the girls wearing skimpy outfits in "dealers as entertainers" dives.
    If the dealers are bored, entertain them. Put a bet out for them, tell them a joke, get a little battle going between your side of the table and the other. Happy tables = happy dealers and vice versa. Of course there are those, just like at every occupation, that truely need management to be showing them the door as well.
     
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  5. Hardeight, Jan 22, 2011

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    Thats your opinion and I disagree with most of what you said they never acted that way until I got my rep as a good shooter.I had no idea they only make minimum but being sarcastic isnt going to get a tip from me.But you understtod that WE paid your salary.And I have told dealers this so they start showing respect but it still continues.They know who the good shooters are and are told by the pit bosses to rattle are cages.Most people perform worse when agitated.But I put them in their place and talk back.I do have respect for some who do their job properly and quietly so I am very nice to them.

    The dice are different weights you must not shoot at all.Oh yeah I pay to roll so I can set my dice and focus as long as I want to.If people have rituals I show respect by being quiet and let them do their thing.It does matter with dice control when I first started I threw them the old fashioned way and usually had 5 rolls but now that I practice dice control I average 12 rolls so it makes a difference
     
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  6. Hardeight, Jan 22, 2011

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    Ill say its the pit bosses who are scared the most but they tell the dealers to mock players who have a different style.
     
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  7. powerpress74, Jan 22, 2011

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    Hardeight, you cannot be serious. I was a pit boss and a dealer for some time in small and large casinos from Las Vegas to Missouri, As far as your "rep" as a good shooter, I have never considered a player a "good shooter", or a "bad shooter" as a pit boss. In fact, I have never cared if someone was a "good shooter". The other pit bosses that I worked with, and my bosses above me never once cared if anyone was a "good shooter". We couldnt care LESS if your average rolls per hand increaed from 4 to 12, in fact, we dont even keep track of that! LOL At your casno, I can bet that they dont group you into one of these catagories, ask them, and Im sure they will look at you weird. As far as taking your time to set the dice, yes your are allowed to, but at all the casinos that I ever worked at, you had 15 seconds to set them, if you slowed the game too much, the dice were passed. (BTW 15 seconds is a long time to fiddle with the dice).

    I have never told a dealer to give a player a hard time, ever. If I want you off of a game, I would simply tell you that you are done, goodbye. I have only told people to leave when they were too drunk, or too disorderly towards the dealers or other players, but never because we feared them. I dont think you understand how the casino business works. If people are having a good time and winning, thats good for business, people come back and lose their money the next time they visit, and again, and again, etc. Its much like golf, that ONE great shot keeps you coming back to the links, even though you are a horrible golfer.

    Dice are different weights, yes they are...in the MICROgrams...we weigh them before they get to the casino floor, or right before they hit the tables. Im sorry sir, but you cannot feel the difference, you may THINK so, but lets be real. Also, do you REALLY think a casino would put dice on a table with noticeable flaws? Of course not, that is financial suicide. That would be like putting marked cards on a Blackjack table, or having an unlevel roulette wheel.

    From the way it sounds, you may have a bad attitude at the table? You even admitted that you didnt know the dealers made minimum wage, so I am guessing that you tip very small, if at all. (A $1 YO for the crew once every 30 minutes doesnt make you a good tipper). Maybe you are a "stroke", when you stroke a dealer, you are basically making his job harder, for example... If you are constantly taking down your bet, putting it back up, over and over, that is considered "stroking". If you are always tossing late bets in, that is considered "stroking". So, maybe you are doing something similar to this?? Well, Im sure you will reply saying Im full of it. You have never worked on the other side of the felt, so you dont know the facts, you are assuming that they are out to get you. Next time you play, toss the base dealer $4 and tell em "inside for the crew" with your first bet, I guarantee you they will be happy to see you.
     
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  8. powerpress74, Jan 22, 2011

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    You are correct, well said. Gamblers forget that the casino personel are human too, they are going to have bad days, be ill, have personal problems, etc...and they like to have fun too.
     
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  9. Hardeight, Jan 22, 2011

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    Listen dude you were at a casino a long time ago so the game has changed with more dice controllers like us you they are more suspect of what we do because they dont understand it.Im on the East Coast so things are different out here I know what they are up to.Yeah I do get attitude IF GIVEN ATTITUDE otherwise I show respect.If I type it then I am serious about it.I can feel diiferent weightsof the dice like I said you been outof the game so it has changed.Like blackjack dealers us multiple decks now to throw off card counters.They use different weights to throw off the shooters balance.No I dont tip at all and not going to when given attitude just like a waiter.I been screwed over by them not paying out so I watch them like a hawk.Anyone can be niceone night then rip you off the other.ALL CASINOS ARENT THE SAME
     
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  10. Hardeight, Jan 22, 2011

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    Ok Powerpress explain this why is it when I shoot three pit bosses rotate to see what I am doing but everyone elsehas one?They dont understand what Im doing and trying to figure it out is my answer.Whats yours?

    Oh yeah when I worked minimum wage I didnt even try to do a good job because of the shitty pay thats what some dealers think
     
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  11. Hardeight, Jan 22, 2011

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    Oh yeah I figured that if you had to go to school to be a dealer you made decent money like most other jobs you need schooling but get paid very well
     
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  12. Hardeight, Jan 22, 2011

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    Sorry when dealing with people who deal with my moneykeep it business like and theres so much going on at the table you can be forgotten if you dont speak up for yourself.Its different at the bank because its one on one and no noise going on
     
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  13. Southern-Comfort, Jan 22, 2011

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    1.[/quote]Im on the East Coast so things are different out here [/quote]

    Ok, that explains alot about whats going on with your experience vs some of the rest of us. I, personally, have never played at an east coast casino but I have heard the stories of them being rude. I've even heard about in in Vegas from dealers who have been there. I promise you, don't judge the rest of the casinos in the world by those guys. Book a trip out to vegas, the midwest, the gulf coast, anywhere.. you'll experience a whole different attitude.
    Frankly, if they've been rude enough to get that type of opinion of all of them, most places those dealers would have been replaced a long time ago. I've actually experienced a pit boss tap out a boxperson and take her place just because she raised her voice to me. Never saw that boxperson rotate back in while I was there either.
    I suppose I should make a trip east just so I can have a horror story of my own. :)
     
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  14. powerpress74, Jan 22, 2011

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    LMAO man, too funny. I worked in the casino business only 2 years ago (2009). You dont go to school to become a dealer, you go to training, its not like a University. You are paid minimum wage, and RELY on tips, so if you are not tipping, then you are taking up a spot of a potential tipper......think about it. Hardeight, you are losing credibility quickly with me. I have read many of your other posts, you have been playing this game for only a couple of months, you admitted that. So, you have no clue whats going on. I checked the casinos that you complain about (Parx and Sugarhouse), they seem to be small casinos. I see Parx only has 57 table games, and the Sugarhouse didnt mention the number, but I could tell by the website that they were a small joint. The last casino I worked at had over 200+. You forget, the Mecca of gambling is Las Vegas, not the East coast. Casinos are for ENTERTAINMENT, it is not a business transaction like at a bank. I think you are playing at some shithole casinos, thats why you are getting the attitude. Small casinos employ the weaker, shitty dealers. I have always worked at top notch places, have you ever heard of the Monte Carlo in Vegas? We took care of the customer/guest, because we were professionals. We dealt a very clean game, and we never "sweat the money" becasue the casino always wins in the end, everyone knows that. I have seen all types of gamblers, even the ones like you. The new craps player that thinks that they can control the dice and thinks that everyone is out to get them. I think you have watched too many movies, sir.

    Let me tell you why those 3 pit bosses come by and look at you, it is because they want to see how silly you look doing your "ritual". The only time multiple pit bosses will come to the same table is when:
    1. Someone has bought in for $10,000 or more
    2. A very heavy game is in progress ($100,000 on the layout)
    3. A big titted chick is on the table
    4. There was a fight/cheater/altercation/discrepancy/crime that occured
    5. To look at a goofy player.

    I dont think you fit the first 4 criteria, so....seriously, you need to relax and have fun, and quit acting like a degenerate gambler.
     
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  15. Hardeight, Jan 23, 2011

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    Its ok this "goofy player" is averaging 12 rolls a game.You may have experience but you dont know the East Coast so get off your high horse you still act like you work at a casino_Oh yeah they might think Im cheating by my multiple set ups.You sure you are not one of them by calling me a degenerate and if you have to look up where I play you need to get a fuckin life

    You are the typical "wannabe tough guy" noob you want to start trouble by calling others names.This site is for people who want to help each with "craps" not to hear your "bullshit on how you were a "shit boss in the Mecca of whogivesafuck" stop living in the past.But from all the bragging you do about your resume thats all you have in your life.Yeah I live in Philly so we are not known for casinos but I know how to make money playing this game.Others are skeptical of my style but you know what?WHO CARES ITS ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

    They laughed at the Wright Brothers ,the guy who invented the Snuggie and so many other visionaries and they proved everyone wrong didn't they?
     
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  16. powerpress74, Jan 23, 2011

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    Oh Hardeight, you are quite a character. You started this thread by complaining about how dealers fear you because you are such a good shooter. When someone gets on here to show/tell you the truth about the other side of the felt, you take offense and call "bullshit". You were complaining how your local casinos were treating you badly...dont you think knowing what kind of casinos you go to would help someone understand your situation? Thats why I looked up Parx and Sugarhouse....not because I do not have a life.

    As far as my "resume", I was simply showing you that I DO know what I am talking about, been there, done that, Ive seen all the "tricks" and "superstitions". You state in another post that you are up $800 over a few months. I guarantee that the casino is NOT worried about your $800 gain over a few months LOL. I think they are more worried about you slowing the game down. As far as you "cheating" with the dice...as long as you are not using 2 hands on the dice, they shouldnt care how you set them as long as you are not taking forever to shoot. Dice setting is nothing new, the modern game has been aware of this since the 17th century. On the layout, there are too many intangibles after you throw the dice.

    1. You have to hit the back wall, which is made of an irregular surface. (This is what will ALWAYS knock the dice off of their "axis")
    2. The dice can hit themselves.
    3. The dice can hit chips.
    4. The dice can hit the "puck".
    5. The dice can hit the dealer's "working stacks".
    6. The dice can hit another wall or the glass.
    7. The dice can hit a clueless player's hand.
    8. The dice have edges and corners that will bite into the felt or the wall and jump in ANY direction.
    9. The thickness of the felt effects how "bouncy" the dice are.
    There are many more.....but I think you get the point.

    As you can see, Hardeight, you can NEVER keep the dice "on axis" if you hit the back wall, like the rules state.

    As far as you calling me a "noob", I see that you have only been a member here since last month.........kinda ironic.

    No need in replying with profanities, Hardeight. If you cannot see the light by now, it will take a long string of losses to sober you up to reality. Good luck.
     
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  17. Hardeight, Jan 24, 2011

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    Powerpress you are a noob with only 12 posts.You started the name calling remember?Oh so now you are looking up my other posts?Yeah you NEED to get a life and stop worrying about a "goofy degenerate of a gambler who plays in shitty Philly casinos but averages 12 rolls" what else you want to know my blood type and social security number?Oh yeah today they did the same to a guy who was on fire the whole day by changing pit bosses during his roll.He had a 20 rolls,15 rolls and another long one so your dumb ass would probably call him goofy too.You are dismissed boy.
     
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  18. powerpress74, Jan 24, 2011

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    LMAO

    Good luck, ma'am....you are gonna need it.
     
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    My gawd - this is the funniest thread I've ever read on a gambling board- I was laughing so much, I had tears in my eyes - I feel your pain Powerpress74 ;)
     
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