Set adjustments

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  1. twodicebilly, Jan 8, 2017

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    This thread of course would mean nothing to most people on
    the board, however to those that work with their shot and
    sets I think there may be some difference in their approaches.

    Most of shooters say they don't adjust there sets to bet a specific
    number during a good roll . This would be if your chasing a fire bet
    or ATS bet. Many feel if the roll is going good I am not making any
    adjustment....I buy that,

    But then why make any????

    Last nights play is an example of how I approach this.

    Hand one was 16 rolls, my shot did not look great so I limited
    the bets and I still made some money.

    Second hand the shot looked better, but the hand was only 6
    rolls. My hand 3 come out roll was a 7, followed by the same 7.
    At this point I adjusted the set..... I agree with those that feel
    one roll does not dictate what will come on the next, however
    the best information I have is that I just threw 3 sevens in a row
    with that set....nothing to lose.

    So I made a small adjustment and had a 15 hand.... which looked
    ok..... yet on the final 7 of that hand I had a 5/2 on the come out
    of my 4th hand I had a 5/2 followed by a 1/2 and then a 2/5....

    Here again is a point to consider,,,,, if you think like I do that as you
    play and shoot your shot changes some, settles in if you will as
    you get more used to the shot at that table, so to be honest, I expect
    it to change. In all sports as you get more warmed up things change
    a tad. Anyway same as before I had a decision to make. I had just
    thrown a decent 15 hand... but also last 3 rolls looked good and the
    results were not good... I was at the time using a 2/6 set, I knew
    where the 2/5/5/2 were coming from in my original set so I went to
    a 4/6 set, just moving the location of the 2/5 in the one of the die.
    Result was a nice 24 hand.

    Now I quit there, had more than doubled my buy in, was using a
    2 unit cross the board approach with regression after 5 rolls to
    only the numbers I had already hit.

    Some guys would say.... well you changed sets and got lucky....
    I guess I have to agree with that...... but what would have happened
    had I not changed sets.....

    If this works and makes sense to me,,,,and has been working for some
    it is what I use.

    twodicebilly
     
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  2. lone irish digit, Jan 8, 2017

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    Since I hardly ever throw identical shots in a hand, most of the time I am not too concerned about set adjustments and just I just try to toss box numbers and avoid the seven on each toss. The only thing I am concerned with is keeping the same axles as well as keeping the seven a double pitch away for Group II presets.
     
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  3. Onautopilot, Jan 8, 2017

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    What would have happened?

    The age old question.....if there is an answer, it lies in some parallel Universe. :)
     
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  4. tabletop123, Jan 8, 2017

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    Now, I realize that this thread is about "Set adjustments", but Old Top would have been DONE after that first hand Twodicebilly!

    You tosses a 16 roll on your VERY FIRST hand! Old Top would have made a nice piece of change off of a 16 roll stunner! "Color coming in"!

    Keep your "Coloring up", On Axis!

    Set Adjustments: I like following the right die On every toss, & making a set adjustment based upon EVERY toss! If I get the desired results on a particular toss......No adjustment, same Dice Set!

    All of this mumbo jumbo about only being able to distinguish left from right die by using the Hardways set ONLY(in the Casinos) is for...........Novice shooters! If you CANNOT use ANY set & track left/right die in the casinos, shows lack of practice!
     
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  5. James Hall, Jan 8, 2017

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    if you can keep the dice finishing on axis a good number of time try he all 7 set
     
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  6. James Hall, Jan 8, 2017

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    what would have happened had you not changed your set " ?
    according to the chunkers / random rollers nothing it's all luck , random and variance
     
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  7. twodicebilly, Jan 8, 2017

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    James

    I don't use that type of shot. I did use the GTC
    for about 6 years, but hardly ever use it now.
    But your correct, there are times the all seven set
    is the best set you can us.

    twodicebilly
     
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  8. Linaway, Jan 8, 2017

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    Beware James,

    It just so happens there are 12 arrangements of the all 7 set. They occur in more than one Array. The HW version isn't all there is.Then a 7/11 set that has never been published or talked about. Uh....that is until now. If they have, I've never seen or heard about them. OOPS, there is more than one of these sets. LOL

    Over 15 years ago, I saw this set in action. First as comeout, a minor arrangement change, then used in pursuit of during point. By permuting the die faces, it gave me all facets of this arrays possible set arrangements. Yet there are many on this board that maintain a preset is no measure of what the outcome might be. My elders always told me ignorance was not bliss. Then Dice Speak showed me how any given number can occur in more than one array. Mostly all are off axis.

    I see positive attributes in your work.
     
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  9. $nakeEye$, Jan 9, 2017

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    Do you calculate for the bias in each dice when you make set adjustments and how do you know from roll to roll which 2 dice are you getting. Also how do you tract of which is left die and which is right die so you can set each die back to the correct left or right orientaion.
     
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  11. Freddyy, Jan 10, 2017

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    Depends... changing set can't be a bad thing if you have control on your throw.

    I myself know I hit more outside numbers on 3v set and more inside on 2v or cross sixes. So If I know I've been throwing passes successfuly, why not. If my hand has been profitable.

    But at the same time. If I've been repeating 3-4 time the same number already. I forget everything, stick to it and bet the sequence.
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Jan 10, 2017

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  14. KokomoJoe4, Jan 11, 2017

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    Snake, As we know from your posts, you and your lovely wife are still, while maybe not behaving like honeymooners, are not at each others throats.

    I shudder to think what Mrs. LID would have done to him if he had done what your wife did when the two of them were trying their luck together.
     
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  16. siik2nr, Jan 31, 2017

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    If I'm double pitching with the HW set, I'll switch to the 2V or 3V and go at it a few rounds.
    I used to stick with the HW no matter what, good or bad and never change the set. However, now a days if I role over 15 times, I will have probably changed sets 5 times within that roll.

    If first roll establishes a box number, I will stay with the same set for a comeback repeater, then if it doesn't come, I will try one more time. If it doesn't come, I will change sets and roll 3 times and catch a previous come or the point. From that point on, I will rotate sets for 3 rolls each and challenge myself to avoid the 7 as long as possible. Feels like with each set I'm only having to avoid the 7 for 3 rolls and not the entire game. It's mental for me. Doing this, I've had rolls over 25+ and have hit the Small/Tall with more frequency and recently the ATS.

    This goes back to my beginning years of practice when I threw thousands of times for each set and calculated the predominate number that it generated based on a set amount of rotations. All calculated from SR1 (I'm left handed).

    I never shoot for 7's because my odds usually always work and I always have money on the ATS.
     
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  17. Freddyy, Jan 31, 2017

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    I use all 7 set from farther distance (s2+)

    Cuz that set does well when you throw it harder...rarely is going to stay on axis...which protects you from seven out.

    Which might explain why his wife did a long roll cuz women usualy dont want to miss and throw hard.

    I love 6's sets cuz they bring a lot of 2's n 12's which when you play it right, comes with a lot of 6 and 8. But if you miss you seven out quick.
    But having a 6-8 going you can play a somewhat protected horn bet progression or high-lo for even more quick profit.
    Once profit is set on the hand you transition to a safer set to try to get a long hand.

    That has been doing good for me lately, hope to keep it up.

    I use 7 set on comeout.
    Strait sixes with 5's in the back with 6-8 horn h4 h10 parlay any hit on the hop and rack first 6-8. Then see whats coming up for 3-4 first roll and transition to a 3v mod or cross sixes. The point is to try to make early profit and then repeat box num. When it's going well I usualy throw a come bet from time to time (discount against 7 and make you keep up to a trend you could miss)
     
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  18. eagleeye2, Jan 31, 2017

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    twodice,

    Sounds like a LOT of 5 /2 Seven outs, to me!

    Recerntly, I was playing at a table where 5 / 2 Seven outs were hot!

    I had one each of my first two throws & I saw them on other shooters, so I began a Count & to my amazement the 5 was showing up two or more times as frequent as it should appear?

    This is the first time that I have observed what I call a 5 / 2 Bias in the dice.

    Needless to say, I skipped out on that table.

    Looks like the Dice Manufacturers can Place the Bias Whereever they want through Differential Density Obtained During the Cooling Process!

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  19. twodicebilly, Jan 31, 2017

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  20. eagleeye2, Jan 31, 2017

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    twodice,

    Statistics says that the (7) will come; the longer the interval between (7's) the BETTER (or luckier, as some here put it), that shooter is @ throwing those bones!

    When the (7) comes Via the same 2 #'s, however, it can be consistency (as you put it), or a BIAS in those DICE, as I have verified all to frequently recently!

    Point is, that when you have your $$$ in play, YOU had better know which it is! My recommendation is; that taking a simple COUNT for several Players will give you the ANSWER, why not take it???

    eagleeye2
     
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