SMALL | TALL | Make em' ALL is coming to Canadian Casino's as early as next week!

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  1. BuckShot, Mar 30, 2019

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    SMALL | TALL | Make em' ALL Bonus Bet is coming to Canadian Casino's as early as next week!
    FIREBET may also get removed from a few Canadian casino's

    Please share any tips or tricks and personal experiences. I'm thinking of creating video's on HEDGING the ATS.
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  2. von duck, Mar 30, 2019

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    It will probably be the FU-ATS, which pays 30-150-30. But let us know.
     
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  3. DeMango, Mar 30, 2019

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    Easy Peasy, learn how to throw horn numbers.
     
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  4. BuckShot, Mar 31, 2019

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    Horn numbers are pretty easy with 6's on the bottom dice set. I find many 2's, 3's, 12's getting rolled using a slight back spin eye level throw.
     
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  5. von duck, Mar 31, 2019

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    By "many" do you mean, about 1out of 9 rolls, you see one of them? :)
     
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  6. DeMango, Mar 31, 2019

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    You sir, are on your way
     
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    :confused: They are no easier, or harder than anything else, with an equal number of "ways to make". :cool: You ain't DeMango man! :cool:
     
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  8. BuckShot, Mar 31, 2019

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    1/3, 1/3 dice set did not even give me the time of day at tonight's session. Damn dice!!! I'm going back to 4/2, 1/4 set.

    So it's official. As of Monday morning they will have the SMALL-Tall-MAKE EM' ALL bets with payouts set at 150 to 1 and 30 to 1.
     
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    BuskShot,

    So, Canadian Casino's are considered GREEDY Casino's (DO NOT BET STA there) as follows:

    GREEDY Casino's ~ AVOID PLAYING THERE, IS THE ONLY WAY to STOP this B.S.

    In the Post Titled Read it & Weep, it is pointed out that SOME CASINO's have gotten GREEDY on SMALL ~ TALL ~ ALL Bets, by reducing their Payouts.

    This almost TRIPLES the theoretical House Edge as shown below!

    Below is Wizard of Odds data on this scheme

    Small, Tall, and All ~ Newly Released Odds @ Some Casino's

    This set of three side bets win if the shooter rolls a specific set of numbers before rolling a seven. Following are the specific of the three bets.

    Small: Wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 before rolling a 7.
    Tall: Wins if the shooter rolls a 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 before rolling a 7.
    All: Wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 before rolling a 7.


    The probability of winning the Small and Tall is 0.026354, or about 1 in 38. Usually wins pay 34 to 1 (or 35 for 1), in which case the house edge is 7.76%.

    Some stingier casinos pay only 30 to 1 (or 31 for 1), which increases the house edge to 18.30%.

    The probability of winning the All is 0.005258, or about 1 in 190. If wins pay 175 to 1 (or 176 for 1), which is usually the case, then the house edge is 7.47%.

    Some stingier casinos pay only 150 to 1 (or 151 for 1), which increases the house edge to 20.61%.

    Yes, GREEDY Casino's ~ AVOID PLAYING THERE, IS THE ONLY WAY to STOP this B.S.

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  10. DeMango, Mar 31, 2019

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    Yup, fighting a house advantage of about 20% is pretty tough. Knowing that I mostly stay away from it.
     
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  11. von duck, Apr 1, 2019

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    There are two different ones, the ATS, 35-175-35, and the F.U.ATS, 30-150-30. Neither is a very good bet, but the latter, is prohibitive. Do not ever play the F.U.ATS. :cool:
     
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    :confused: OK, "jigs up" Man, the real DeMango, loves the ATS. :cool:
     
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  13. BuckShot, Apr 1, 2019

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    Thank you for the information on the ATS. You guys are awesome.

    So the STS is available as of this morning Monday April 01/2019
    I'm heading out to FallsView casino for 11am to ? to check it out and play "THE GRIND strategy with the ATS"

    UPDATE: 2:52pm Monday April 01/2019

    Yup! F.U ATS Bonus Craps along with HOP BETS are now offered at FallsView Casino, Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada offering S> 30 to 1, T> 30 to 1 and Make em' all > 150 to 1 with minimum bet $1.00 to $100 max bet. Hop bets are same payout 15:1 or 30:1 for hardway hops

    Many opportunities where one number needed to complete but quite a few never accomplished. Better to hedge and guarantee $$$ on both sides.

    On another note CRAPLESS CRAPS is also introduced and available at CASINO WINDSOR, Windsor, Ontario.
     
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    If you needed a horn number, to complete an A-T-Or S exactly how, would you "hedge" it? :confused: :)
     
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  15. DeMango, Apr 1, 2019

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    Vince, how about crapless in Windsor. Buys start at X$? Vigs up front or on win?
     
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  16. BuckShot, Apr 1, 2019

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    Not sure what the additional info is as of yet. I only heard of crapless craps being offered from a local from Windsor who came in to FallsView casino this morning. I will post more info as soon as I find out.
     
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    That's the thing. You can't really hedge those bets unless you want to HOP SEVENS with quarter chips but that's even a stupid idea.
     
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    Or don't play the bet
     
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  19. BuckShot, Apr 1, 2019

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    The whole idea is "To Play that bet" I didn't hit any yesterday but I still cam close many times. I find it better that the fire bet. More fun. I was shocked as to how much money that casino took in for that 2 hrs I was there. and everyone was just playing $15 ATS (5 on each)
     
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  20. von duck, Apr 2, 2019

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    Came close? :confused: Here in, lies the problem. It might LOOK, like your close, but your NOT really. If you have covered every number but the 12 of the tall, you still only have 1/7 chance of hitting it. You will see, a payoff on some part of this bet, about 8 times as often as the Fire bet, but this bet is down with all of those come-out sevens. It's a money-pit for the player. If you're playing for fun, go ahead, take a few cracks at it. If you are playing to win, stay away from this bet!
    If you DO play this bet, keep an eye on the crew, to make sure that all MADE numbers get covered. I've noticed that it is very easy for the crew to "sleep" a number, just stay alert. :cool:
     
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