Some times " pretty shots" do work

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  1. Dave G Ct

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    Yes at times they fall short but at other times they are dialed in and you witness streaks of repeaters.
    Why don't they work all the time?
    One reason no matter how great your toss is there is a significant percentage that are off axis and completely random. We forget about that little fact. But once your toss gets very fluid meaning you can execute it blindfolded there is a chance for a streak or two of your signature numbers.
    . Too many DI ers try to toss the perfect toss and they find something is missing.Also dice gliding off your hand brings more confidence and hey you find yourself on a run.
    I asked MP why there is no momentum in DI? He said you start from scratch every time and build from there. It's called the " Big Picture"
     
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    The Big Picture, IMO, takes an enormous amount of data to prove.

    A random chucker can put together enormous streaks of repeaters. It comes down to is ANY player doing due diligence of recording all data and conclusively proving that in fact random has been turned upside down?

    In a short spans of rolls....confirmation bias is a likely "go to" for "proof".

    I'm skepticle. If a player is churning and churning cash each month based on regular play...he may use that reasoning as opposed to actually doing the mathematics. Can a regular player churn and churn cash each month....and not employ one of OAP's martingale plays of a big time win rate....?

    Doubt it. But I'm only one voice.

    in a random game (if one believes that or not)....there are a LOT of things than can happen. If someone can pull this shit off on demand or as some regular occurrence...you're on your way to an island in the sun.....

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    They did away with the Bubble at Foxwoods.Word has it people complained about that screechy voice plus hardly anybody played them.
     
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    Yes, bubbles come and bubbles go. Sometimes they catch on at certain casinos and are very popular. Other times, not.

    In today's casino world...it's very difficult to justify floor space that isn't filled with a slot machine. The game either has to get action...or pulled fast. The industry does not wait long to pull the plug on any game not holding up its end. I've seen them installed one week....and then maybe a month or so later...gone.

    It's fickle.
     
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    Word on the street is, they also did away with the "Essence Bubble" at Cherokee. I have not been there to verify this though, but heard from a very reliable source. If in fact this is true, all I can say is "SCORE ONE FOR THE PEE-PULL". :)
     
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    From what I've seen the slot techs at NA casinos aren't upper echelon in the talent pool and they struggle to keep a bubble machine running.

    I also heard the one at Foxwoods was taken out because the wannbe DI's were screeching that the bubble had more long rolls than they did and was showing them up.
     
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    LOL...

    on the maintenance issue....very much agree. The slot techs can only reset the game. Any issue with screen malfunctions, push button issues....they are generally useless.

    these machines are not set it and forget it....even though the casinos seem to think so.

    Aruze and Interblock likely have a limited amount of tech teams ready at a whim to service or fix bubble craps.

    Nature of the beast. The experienced slot techs can probably change the guts of every slot machine on the property....but bubble craps, imo, requires a specialized employee.

    They really should be doing a every 6 month overall. Soup to nutz. They cheap out. Not surprised.
     
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    Yeah well, I heard that you would make up a lie, if you thought it would serve your purpose.
    These machines are failing for a very simple reason, they do NOT deal a straight game, PERIOD! And that video table thing, is doing the same thing, but maybe a little worse, or "better" depending on your perspective.
    One thing I found very interesting. On that "Roll to Win" game, even though they said that (ceasars entertainment) helped them develop it, I looked for, but did not see, any way for a player to TIP the dealer using his touch screen. :confused: So, you know these dealers are going to be, just a ton of fun to play with. How much does a dealer make, not including tips? Can anybody ball-park that number? :cool:
     
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    no way,(I know your kidding) the bubble odds were worse than tables, the mins were 5 dollars, and the tables are always 5 dollars during day so no reason for people to use bubble.

    besides, aruze might have wanted too much for the lease. I see interblock has quite a presence in foxwoods.

    In the cedar casino, where the 3 dealer stadium hybrid games are, there are 8 icons on the screens, only 4 are in use. 2 blackjack, although Only one blackjack was in use when I played, baccarat and roulette. I wonder if they will put a bubble in there also since they already have the entire stadium and satellite seating set up elsewhere in place and in use.

    there were no games during daytime in any casino except Pequot, so I don't think craps is a big draw for them, and I never had a problem getting a spot at a 5 dollar table the entire 3 days I was there.

    and by looking at the dozens and dozens of card tables not in use, I don't think foxwoods is raking it in like it once was.

    one thing I noticed as well as my wife, all the Asian themed slot machines seem to pay out much better than the other slots. Asian themed-use your imagination, they are Asian themed, what can I tell you. some have Chinese writing on them, some have Asian themed pictures.and you know what, I don't know if its Chinese writing, but some of the names of the machines seemed Asian. don't recall the exact names, but they weren't smith or Goldberg or O malley.
     
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    Random is 6.0! I have filmed my absolute best tosses in slow motion, & In MY OPINION tossing the dice mechanically is better than just flinging em. However, mechanical tossing is NOT enough to give you an advantage. Random Tossing = 6.0
    Mechanical Tossing ( Dice Influencing = 6.01) ( Rightside Tossing) .... So.... where is the advantage? None!!!!!!

    Have fun!!!
     
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    Duck what in mortal hell!...you forget to take your medication today o_O
     
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    Well, random expectation is 6.0. In reality, MANY of the random trials of 40,000 rolls exceeded 6.01.

    at ~100 rolls per month of play....that’s 30+ years of playing craps and exceeding 6.0. I would call that a career.

    It becomes an exceedingly difficult task, IMO, to discern yourself from the random roller even by exceeding the chunker 6.0 expectation.

    I’m still going to throw a lot of cold water on the idea that anyone is holding 6.5 over their career. Obviously career and the amount of tosses needs clarification.

    7.0 SRR over just 3,000 is more than a pipe dream. Not happening....but I’m open to watching and recording to either dispel or confirm this.

    if you can get 40,000 rolls above 6.2 SRR....you’re already in the 99th percentile. 6.5 SRR? Fuggetaboutit, IMHO.
     
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    No, I took it. This guy is bullshit, and I will start calling bullshit on him. :cool:
     
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    What bullshit? He’s offering his opinion as you are.

    You somehow have rank here?
     
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    And it is my opinion, that he is bullshit. He and you are also in cahoots. I hold no rank here, but, I think a very good question would be, do YOU hold some rank here. You certainly post as if you do, not like a casual poster. You go at it as if it's your JOB. Maybe it is, and if it is, just what IS your position? Let's just clear the air, get it out in the open. :cool:
     
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    My position is that I'm a nobody here who likes to discuss craps.:D

    Just like you and everyone else:eek:

    If you disagree with that assessment....then who, pray tell, is a somebody, and why?
     
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    The difference between 6.0 and 6.01 for 40,000 rolls of the dice, is only about 12 less sevens than expected. That's 6,655 instead of 6,667. That would fall well within the expected standard deviation. In other words, for the purpose of evaluating DI, they would be considered the same thing. :cool:
     
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    Don't mind the duck. He's just a disgruntled dealer who is obviously disappointed in what's been in the toke box.
     
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    Never have been, or would be, a dealer. Just pointing out, what I consider to be, a blatant FU by the casino industry, this time for its own employees. I don't think it was an oversight either, but rather, a deliberate omission. You can say whatever you like, but I for one, know that you're "bullshit". :cool:
     
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  20. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:05 PM

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    I posit that the major difference between "bubble machines" and today's slots is that the former are mechanical devices whereas the latter are completely electronic. Mechanical parts wear out much faster than electronic ones, and I suspect require a much different skill set and much more time to repair and replace. When a slot malfunctions you open the case, pull out the failing circuit board, plug in a new circuit board, close up the case, and you're back in business in a few minutes. (OK, you probably have to wait for divine approval and oversight before fixing the problem, but I doubt the actual procedure is rocket science. In fact the technician performing it may not even know why he's doing what he's doing, other than that a computer diagnostic code got translated to a predetermined corrective action.) It might be interesting to compare maintenance costs of today's slots to those of yesteryear's real reel spinners.


    Minimum wage by all accounts I have heard . . . even dealers with five years of experience.
     
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