Spinning die

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  1. Impalabern, Oct 6, 2012

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    Today while coming back from the Carlisle car show in PA, I stopped by the Valley Forge casino to get a chip for my collection (that dollar chip cost me two 44 inside bets back to back without a hit). After the 1st shooter 7'd out the dice came to me. My point was 5 and after tossing the dice against the rubber, one die landed on 1 and the other die spun on its point for about 4 seconds before falling on the 6 for a 7 out. My question is how often does this happen, in the years I have been playing craps I have never seen this happen and the other players were wide eyed as we waited for the dice to stop spinning.
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Oct 6, 2012

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    Sounds like the guy opposite you at the other end of the table should have been wearing safety glasses. I can't imagine it being a soft, controlled toss.

    To answer your question......it is a very rare occurance and I can't recall ever seeing it, although I don't remember alot of things today.


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  3. kaysirtap, Oct 6, 2012

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    I can't give you an exact frequency, but I have seen a spinning die on a Craps table many times. It's not an everyday occurrence, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's rare.
     
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    I have myself tossed and had a spinning die a few times. Generally its from the rebound off the diamonds and just knicking a stack of chips that send it into the spin.

    I think that only one time it was a good result. Actually most times if I knick a stack of chips it's over.


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    A spinning die is very common. I see it almost every time I play.
    Here's a more rare situation: one die landing on top of the other. It happened to me in Aruba. (It was a 7 out!.)

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  6. basicstrategy777, Oct 6, 2012

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    Unfortunately not in Aruba!

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    That is a fair comment.

    But that is the rule.

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    I stand corrected on "rarer" vs. "more rare." Thank you 777.
    I'm glad there are still people who know the king's English.

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  10. Impalabern, Oct 6, 2012

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    Thanks guys, I had just never seen it before but I usually don't watch the dice for a random shooter. For a dice setter I'll watch the first roll to see how the dice hit but I usually don't look and just listen to the stickman. Why do I do it? I don't know but I think its because seeing the 7 is a slap in the face and hearing it is another and I'd rather only get slapped once LOL. When I shoot, I will watch all of my rolls but this time the dice were wild as my usual shooting spots were taken and I was out of my normal realm and throwing over hand.
     
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    After reading this, I stand behind my original statement:
    Now, stacked dice... I would call that a rare occurrence.
     
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  12. Southern-Comfort, Oct 6, 2012

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    haven't we covered this already? In most Vegas casinos its not a "no roll". In Atlantic City, its a no roll by state rule. Most everywhere else in the world its up to the house.
    http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/billyArticles/billy0003.shtml
    http://www.nextshooter.com/fairroll
    http://gamingfloor.biz/forum/archive/index.php?t-230.html
    http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/dice/ (almost at the bottom of the page)
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Oct 7, 2012

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    In Ct it is a no roll....in New Jersey and Colorado and Pennsylvania it is a no roll by law.......in some Vegas casino's it is a no roll...........outside of America it is a no roll ( see this from wizard of vegas......:" When I played craps in NZ [sadly no longer available anywhere here], I looked up the official government rules and saw the following criteria for a NO ROLL after the dice come to rest within the bounds of the table [assuming the dice were correctly rolled initially with no player interference]:

    * Any die landing in the dice boat = NO ROLL
    * Any die landing on the bank = NO ROLL (but landing on any bet or dealer's working stack is valid)
    * One die landing on top of the other = NO ROLL

    I witnessed all of these events, all correctly called NO ROLL by the stick/boxman, at least once over about 5 years.
    Since all NZ rules for every table game were derived from US or UK rules, I am surprised that stacked dice is valid in Vegas."

    In addition to New Zealand being a no roll......it is a no roll in Canada ......it is a no roll in Australia....it is a no roll in Great Britian.........plus I am sure other countries, if you would care to research.


    So.......Beyond our shores it is a no roll......it is a no roll per state law in the several states I checked....it is a no roll per CT casino craps dealers manuals.....

    It is a valid roll is some Vegas casino's and not in others ........it is a no roll in many casinos in America and outside of America...


    It is basically at the discretion of the casino except where prohibited by State law.

    Bottom line is, if I were a betting man, I would bet it is a 'no roll' in more casinos than it is a valid toss.

    It's not worth 'fighting' over............Check the casino gaming book where you play.

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  14. Southern-Comfort, Oct 7, 2012

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    Never let the facts get in your way, BS. Keep on saying it and one day irt will become true.
     
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  15. basicstrategy777, Oct 7, 2012

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    I have detailed my facts......tell me which ones you disagree with ?............Give me your no roll list .....I gave you some of mine.

    So, some Vegas casino's call it a no roll..........I've got the rest of the the USA and the rest of the world.

    Your sucking hind tit again SC.........get your (shall I say it) crap together.

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  16. Southern-Comfort, Oct 7, 2012

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    Let's se. Now you admit that its not "the rule" everywhere, but continue to state that your blanket statement that its a no roll (period). It cannot be true everywhere and also NOT be true everywhere. Thats all I'm pointing out. You issue a blanket statement that its a no-roll, no qualifiers, no possible chance of ever being a roll. And I only opint out that it IS sometimes aroll.
    You've personally seen it happen, apparently, dozens of times, yet I've only seen it happen twice in my entire lifetime, and from what I've read, thats about average. You speak just to hear yourself talk and don't care if what you say is true or not. You are, indeed, BS. Enjoy living in your dreams.
    I call BS on you, BS.
     
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  17. JGreen6918, Oct 7, 2012

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    [del]I don't even understand why you two are arguing. You both seemed to have said the same thing.[/del]
    Forget it, SC just edited his previous post and explained it.
     
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  18. Southern-Comfort, Oct 7, 2012

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    Yeah I had to straighten it out since BS was using his usual talking in circles bit. So to make it clear... his first post on the sublect in this tread, in its entirety...
    en I called him on it he then, of course, tried to spin it as he didn't say all. But, his post says it by implication. And the link, which I would have thought had to do with craps, has nothing whatsoever to do with craps.
    It all looks fishy, Stuff like that annoys me, especially someone who sees themselves as an expert states as fact something he knows darn well isn't true.
     
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  19. The Midnight Skulker, Oct 8, 2012

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    I'll stay out of the arguments and comment only on my observations.

    I have seen spinners on occasion. I would not classify them as rare, more as unusual.

    I have seen stacked dice once, and the crew was unsure what to do. I suggested no roll, and that is what was called. Later, however, I heard the pit suit tell the base dealer closest to the stack that he/she -- can't remember the gender now -- could have carefully removed the top die without obscuring it from the view of anybody to allow a call. The problem I would have with this approach is that if the result were favorable to the house I would have to wonder if stacked dice were always treated this way, or if the dealer had seen the face the bottom die was showing before the other die landed on it, or if the dealer noted the side faces and deduced the final result had a 50-50 chance of favoring the house. No roll eliminates these concerns, which is undoubtedly why some government entities have made that the call by law.
     
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  20. basicstrategy777, Oct 8, 2012

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    The payoff on 12 is 30 to 1.

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