Thankyou 7Craps for the following Post: Good news travels fast or is that bad news that travels fast Another one... sounds like “biggins”: FORMAL CHALLENGE: NEW BLACKJACK & CRAPS SYSTEM WILL WIN 1K/DAILY FOR MIN 30 SESSIONS I think I read somewhere they play with you with their bankroll and you give them 50% of your winnings or. “I have formulated a betting system and modified basic strategy system for blackjack & craps. And for the record, it is not for sale. However, administrator permitting, I would like to make a challenge to any player who can afford this: I challenge any blackjack or craps player to play along with me with a 13k bankroll for 30 sessions. I am VERY confident we will win 1k per session minimum. I would like to have the player post the results of each of the 30 sessions on this forum to prove me right or wrong. Each session will be under 2 hours. I will put up the entire 13K bankroll BUT give the player the opportunity to do the same at a 50/50 split of earnings.” Sounds great to me I am waiting for the IPO on this one. ************************************ (I should warn you in advance before your read my essay... I am not seriously thinking this is a good idea. I do not even think it is an idea. Take what I am saying for a close look at a hustler's dream of finding someone with $13,000 that STUPID enought to believe this." I have to agree with 7Craps. I cannot wait to buy in for $13,000 and split the profits 50%/50% and buy into the IPO with the proceeds. I think when your 50% of profit and 100% of bankrool is missing due to those nasty, unpredictable dice... the only trigger one might consider at this point is not one on a Craps Table System. Why even bother splitting? IF you, as the instructor HAVE YOUR OWN $13,000 to plunk down in front of a startled Boxman... who needs friends or partners? Have we all entered a Time Warp back to the back alley hucksters and dice swapping during a game? Or must the player with the bankroll be blind folded while playing for the... first winnings. I would estimate that 80% of Craps players are like myself... bankroll at a single game under $500. There are Craps Players and then just CARP, not that carp are not a fish that do not give up a fight when hooked. ( I seem to be on a fly fishing and fishing mentality lately. Spring must be coming...) Anybody with $3,000, $5,000 or $13,000 to expose to the House Percentage at a Craps Table... are not going to be walked up to a table, buy in and agree to a 50%/50% share of profits, taking all the risk of... a bad night at the CARP Table. This story just gets better by those who have been following the scattered posts in the last couple of days. All purported "winning" systems have one thing in common... to beat the adverse house percentage built into ALL table games and anything plugged into the electrical grid... even if it is from wind turbines or solar sources. And as Mrsmooth presented in his long list of good points on an earlier posting... did not include the most important part of his presentation... the "triggers" for play. It is obvious Mrsmooth is well rounded in the mathematics of Craps and the built in House Percentages. To take this knowledge and discover a way to not only negate the House Percentage, but present claims to have discovered how to manipulate the game for a Player's Percentage for chronic winning is a stretch. I have an adverse natural curiosity to ALL and ANY claims to improve my chances to leave as a winner at a Casino. Not that ALL claims are 100% spurious. Even having a photographic memory of a 5 to 8 deck Blackjack shoe of all cards played, does not prevent the Dealer getting the hand you were expecting. Controlling the result of a pair of dice is like herding cats into a pen. If the Boxman even suspects you might have the "talent"... you are shown the door and not necessarily the front entrance. I play Craps when in the VICINITY of a Casino... and do not travel with the intent to play at a Casino. I will never be able to provide a constant, guaranteed, stream of income at a Craps Table, unless losing to the House provides an income stream to the dealers, who well deserve to be paid a decent wage. I play a Craps game to maximize my exposure and try to minimize my exposure to the House Percentage in my Hit and Run play. All of us who have a handle on the statistical side of Craps can come up with a game, a system or game action that you are comfortable and very viable. When you must take classes to "improve" your chances... the radar begins tracking a big carnivore heading my direction in the deep woods, after serving a big bacon breakfast with eggs. When I read some of the Topic headings, I believe many individuals posting the question, should study the game, any Casino game, from the simple mathematical side first for a reality check... and then get some taste of bad advice. It is these fish hatchery "trout" that are being tossed the artificial fly by well schooled patrons of the game and bite the hook and barb. The long term Craps players do have a handle on the games they play, and take the risk of leaving empty handed. If there were no risk... nobody would offer the game and there is no sport in playing against the "rigged game". Have you experienced an offer to improve your Craps game? How did it work out? Did it raise you confidence level of playing? Did you find it something you would never pass onto another player?