There are a lot of losers in Baltimore

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  1. superrick, Jul 18, 2017

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  2. random_roller, Jul 18, 2017

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    Not surprising at all. MGM National Harbor easily has the best location of the 3 casinos. It's primary competitor -- Maryland Live! -- doesn't have an attached hotel (currently under construction), nor does it have a national players card program. The Baltimore MSA doesn't have anywhere close to the level of disposable income that the people living in the Washington D.C. MSA (including NoVA & MD collar counties). Fairfax County (VA) and Montgomery County (MD) are two of the wealthiest (and best educated) counties in the country on a per capita basis. Think of all the federal tax dollars supporting high paying jobs in the region. Lots of people with lots of money.

    Once MGM Springfield opens up, MGM Resorts will have facilities on the east coast in Atlantic City (Borgata), near Washington, D.C. (MGM National Harbor), and Springfield, MA. Look out if MGM ever opens a casino near Atlanta,

    MGM National Harbor caters to the higher end gambler. It is definitely not a place for the $5/$10 table game player, which Maryland Live! goes after.
     
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  3. TDVegas, Jul 18, 2017

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    My MGM guy told me the table minimums were ridiculous. This is similar to when Foxwoods opened. Only game in the area that offered higher end stay and play. They made billions...hand over fist.

    There's a lot of disposable money in the DC area.
     
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    There's a huge difference between revenue and profit. Looks like a misleading story to me since it said revenue.Was it gross revenue, house hold revenue before expenses or net profit after expenses?

    For all we know they may all be losing money after they pay all their wages etc.
     
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  5. superrick, Jul 18, 2017

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    We, unfortunately, see ridiculous table minimums when a casino first opens and if the market will handle it they stay that way!

    The guys that live in places like Vegas can pick a chose where they want to play and can find cheap tables to play on!

    The other thing that you will find when you have only one casino in your area is they might only open their tables at let's say 10 am and they close them at 11 Pm.

    So how many of you guys have to play under those conditions?
     
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    Right now, that is what is available here for me. They do keep a table open most of the time though

    BUT, I don't have to play under those conditions unless I choose to. :)

    I like Vegas's wealth of choices also, but when not there, I don't have a problem with fitting my game to the casino's nuances.
     
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    As far as legalized gaming options are concerned, Las Vegas can't be beat. Possibly the only thing lacking in LV is a 100% smoke-free casino with a craps table.

    Chicagoland has 9 casinos (counting Majestic Star & Majestic Star II as separate casinos, as they have separate facilities and licenses), with 3 more within @90 miles of downtown (Blue Chip, Four Winds New Buffalo, Potawatomi). Good mix of 24x7 and non-smoking, high table limits & low table minimums facilities. Big gaming companies are represented: MGM Resorts International (Grand Victoria), Caesars Entertainment (Harrah's Joliet, Horseshoe Hammond), Penn National Gaming (Hollywood Casinos in Aurora, Joliet), and Pinnacle Entertainment (Ameristar). Boyd Gaming owns Blue Chip (and Par-A-Dice in Peoria).

    Competition -- and having viable options -- is definitely a good thing.
     
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    Im happy with the ocean 15 minutes from my house.
    Nevada is a great place to visit.
    casinos are everywhere nowadays. Craps tables and bubbles are everywhere.
    what attracts you to live in a desert doesn't appeal to a lot of people, if it did, there would be millions more living in Nevada, afterall, they have plenty of land to build on.
    What conditions? I don't care I travel a couple of hours to play at a live table.
    Id rather not deal with the highest crime rate in America besides maybe Detroit.
    Im sure there are a few people living in Nevada that aren't addicted to gambling, that enjoy the pool year round, golfing, shooting, dirt bike, etc......
     
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    if I lived elsewhere...I would play less. I did that when I lived in NJ. Ocassional trip to AC.

    I live in Vegas for other reasons....
    The weather..
    I love the Southwest..

    I do enjoy gambling...but I don't need to gamble. It's not a livelihood. Never will be. I would rather go hiking, canoeing, sightseeing, seeing national parks, road trips..than gamble.
     
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    that's what Im trying to get to, living in Nevada, if you only want to gamble constantly, great, its not a life then, its just an addiction. I know someone like you really loves the warm weather, and everything that comes with it.
     
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    Gambling would never be a reason for me to live in Nevada.....but gold prospecting might be a reason. :)
     
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    Speaking of Station Casinos...I went there today. I will occasionally get take out from one of their restaurants on my way home. Today I ordered the pork belly bao buns from their Noodle 8 restaurant...really delicious. $8.00 for two of them.

    They informed me today of a new policy....$4.00 surcharge for take-out. I told them forget it.

    My contact at RR said it's an across the board policy change for all their restaurants...even for Chairman cardholders. She told me the outrage is off the charts.

    A 50% up charge on an $8.00 order!!
     
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    Nice customer appreciation move!

    The bean counters are eventually going to reach their point of no return....not to mention their level of incompetence!
     
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    Unreal. I could maybe see adding $1 to cover the container costs....$4.00?

    They are also taking money away from their hostesses. I always tip them a couple bucks on this take out. That's gone now. No order and no tip. I'm sure many will be doing the same.

    I just fired off an email complaint.
     
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    Thanks for the heads up, TDV.

    Perhaps we should start a "Dumbass Casino Move of the Month" Award. This one would definitely be a candidate.
     
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    Is this Restaurant in the Casino? If so, I can understand the move. Keep you in the Casino by making ya sit down to eat your meal, & when finished, HOPEFULLY ( for the Casino) you'll waltz into the Casino, & drop a few hundred/thousands before you exit!

    Every move that the Casinos make ( regardless of right, or wrong for the patrons) is VERY calculated. I would assume that their entire Marketing strategy is to NOT let ya out of the front doors? Correct?
     
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    Yes, you could be right. Keep me in the casino. It's a douchy move on their part and they will not get me to eat there...then play. I see it as another "nickel and dime" attempt to extract money. Pathetic. This one really pissed me off. It's a great Resort Casino..but this move was pure shit, IMO.

    They do a lot of this stuff....scratch off tickets that must only be scratched off in the casino by an employee. Food coupons won on Monday that can only be used on Tuesday. On and on...everything to get you in and keep you there or bring you back another day. That stuff I understand.

    This $4.00 surcharge for take out is beyond ridiculous IMO. I already found out the customer complaints have been vitriolic. I would not be surprised to see this policy reversed. Some dumb marketing or bean counter really screwed the pooch here.
     
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    I think you are correct in your assessment. However, I suspect it's not working out as the marketing folks and bean counters had projected; after all, it's not like people who wanted take-out were intent on staying for more gambling after getting their take-out order. If anything else, I suspect the restaurant is probably losing take-out sales. Don't forget, one of the reasons for getting take-out is not having to tip (at least not nearly as much for those who do tip on take-out orders). Perhaps this is in part the restaurant's way of getting people to dine in (and tip servers).
     
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    The sad part is that the Casinos DONT give a shit about pleasing customers that are NOT in the GAMING area. Ya really think they give a flying fuck about Disgruntled customers in a Restaurant?

    Ya see....they realize that for every thousand that complain, there's STILL gonna be a zillion that are gonna give them action, REGARDLESS of how hard they try to screw ya!

    Greed ( on the Patron's part) excuses all unfairness in the Gambler's eyes!

    The Casinos KNOW that they'll have a real struggle when Old Farts like us take that dreadful "Dirt Nap", because this younger generation ain't gonna pay the light bills!

    Their only option is to "Mash down", & Squeeze as much as they can out of the Patrons, until us older farts die out! It is what it is!
     
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    Well, these restaurant customers...many ARE highest tier card holders (chairman). Oh yeah, they will bitch and moan about this. The first question I had for my contact was "excluding purple and black cardholders"??....she said, "nope". All will be charged. She said the managers are even hiding from the customers. They are getting big time backlash.

    Station is BIG on pleasing locals and they do a pretty good job, IMO. On this one...someone utterly fucked up, IMO.

    I'll keep checking...my money says this policy is either shitcanned or toned down. this is the first time Station has done something that I considered really low brow.
     
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