they gotta be hurtin

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  1. Liman

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    this came in the mail today along with another flier from caesars, with tons of free play, match play, and bogo buffet, 10 dollar food credits,
    My wife received 3 free nights, she had 69 dollars for some Saturday nights.

    we haven't played in any of the AC properties in Im guessing close to a year.

    they must really be hurting to offer us 7 free nights in any of their hotels including weekends.

    I don't get what the 19 dollar room charge is.....that's hilarious, if I was going, I would never pay it.

    I posted this for all those that think players cards are a waste of time.

    I could take my friends, and get free rooms for them under my wifes name, and get most of our food comped even if we didn't gamble!

    anyway, they must be hurting real bad and know the next few months they are going to be hurting worse.
     

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    When we get comps in AC there's always a $10 per night "tourist" charge. Still a bargain.

    Fred
     
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    I think from Christmas to spring AC will be hurting'. Snow, cold weather, holiday overload, no beach, no hot tub, etc. Go and support the AC economy!

    Fred
     
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    I believe its 13.00 per night tourist/hotel surcharge tax.
    I see a charge similar to this being put on many hotel bills throughout different areas when we travel by car.
    Not nearly this much, but 3-4 dollar a night tourism taxes, or however they label them.
    just another gimmick because local lawmakers can do this, how can anyone object? (we can all object it, but everyone knows paying 150 dollars a night in a Hampton inn then getting taxes 3 dollars, no one is making a big stink)
     
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    I would only go to trop nowadays, with a lot more options, AC doesn't interest us that much.
    If NYS opens the casinos within a few years in Albany area, Monticello area, I don't think wed ever go to AC again.
     
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    Maryland Live!, Horseshoe Baltimore, Hollywood Perryville and the 3 casinos in Delaware aren't helping the situation in Atlantic City, either. But those casinos in Philadelphia and Western Pennsylvania are really hurting the ones in AC. And National Harbor (outside of Washington, D.C.) will likely open sometime in 2017. It's probably going to get worse for Atlantic City.
     
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    Yup, a real cancer, those resort fees.
     
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    I think the casinos in philly sunk AC. Its the closest large city that really supported the casinos for years.
    Second to that, was NYC.
     
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    Atlantic City casinos drew heavily from the populous mid-Atlantic region for years when they were the only game in town. Now that there are casinos much closer to home, there are a lot of people in Washington DC (including Northern VA) and Baltimore MSAs who won't be making the trip to AC again anytime soon. Heck, they might be skipping casinos in Philadelphi, too, unless they're also craving a Phllly cheese steak sandwich.
     
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    If Harrah's had half a brain, they would have set up Junkets from all over, just to fill up the casinos midweek. I would fly over in a heartbeat.
     
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    "7out" " 7winner"......damn resort fees
     
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    AC was told to adapt, change, improve...25-30 years ago by Steve Wynn. They ignored him. He left. On this one he was right.
     
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    living here on long island, I cant begin to tell you how exciting it was to head down to the jersey shore, atlantic city and the casinos 20 years ago.
    It was the thing to do on a weekend night if you had a driver to handle the 5 hour round trip, or get a room, anywhere, even the dumpy hotels and spend an evening hanging out in all the casinos, bar hopping, casino hopping.....everyone I know used to love to spend some time there, even the non gamblers.
    now, no one ever speaks about it anymore, no one cares about it, none of my friends care to go there anymore, it really is amazing.
    Like theres a plague there or something.
    most of the rooms have been updated, but the entire area never really changed.
     
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  15. superrick, Dec 15, 2015

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    If you put Casinos in a slum area what do you expect!
     
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    Yes. The slums were there before the casinos arrived. I remember those barracks type slum housing just as you entered AC. I always said "this is the first thing you see upon entering the city?---wonderful"
     
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    I don't believe it had much to do with slums.
    when AC first started opening casinos the late 70s early 80s, it was in worse shape then it is now.
    Never stopped anyone, AC was the place to be on the east coast if you enjoyed the casino experience, the shows, the bars, the dance halls, etc...
    They never really treated anyone right, but due to lack of any competition over 20 or so years, they just really forgot the patrons are what makes the business.
    Now that options are open in every state, AC hotels and casinos are just getting some payback, no one cares about them, the same way they treated everyone in the 80s and 90s, the people are treating them now.

    I frequent casinos in northern PA, sands, mt airy, Mohegan sun, and there is a world of difference between the treatment received in pa compared to AC.
    For most people, there has to be an entire casino/hotel experience.
    If youre a degenerate gambler, don't matter, any table will most likely do.
    couples, young people, they want to enjoy themselves, and a lot of that has to do with the attitude of employees of hotel casinos, and all the businesses within.
    when you walk in a hallway or aisle in PA, all employees greet you with a smile and a good morning, or a hello.
    that doesn't make a good casino, but it certainly feels good to be in a place where the customer is treated a little better than AC, where no one gives a shit, customer service is a joke.
    Last time we were in showboat, over the xmas break a few years back, with my sil, my children, my nieces, and all the SO,s we all had the same floor.
    There was a huge disturbance at 3am, a bunch of gang members, or hoodlums, were fighting, mostly females, macing each other, screaming cursing, etc......one female fell against our door and when I opened it, I could see she had a bloody face.
    I closed the door and called security, there were 20 of them out there, I didn't need to be shot.
    security didn't show right away, we called the police.
    they just don't give a shit, never did, but its amoot point, most of the casinos will be gone soon if they haven't closed already.
     
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  18. superrick, Dec 15, 2015

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    You make a lot of good points but I think all casinos to a certain point forget were their money is coming from and what happens if they don't treat their players right.
    They all think they have a license to steal, and when they give nothing but lousy games, where their players are never winning, somewhere in time they stop going to the casinos!
     
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    good point, but Im also including all the people who don't, well, don't gamble seriously? Im not sure how to word this.
    recreational gamblers, 3-4 times a year type.
    AC has scared off all of them also, and Im certain that is a big percentage of the take for the casinos, the 4 times a year player.
    why should they go to a run down be treated lousy type of hotel/casino when there are so many better options available
     
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  20. random_roller, Dec 16, 2015

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    I took a quick look at the NJ Division of Gaming Enforcement (NJDGE) monthly revenue reports. During November 2015, #1 Borgata had gaming gross revenues of $57.1M, which is @$2.7M higher than the combined revenues of #2 Harrah's $30.1M and #3 Caesar's $24.3M. Borgata managed this despite having less authorized casino square footage (137,125 vs. 270,020), fewer slots (3,030 vs. 4,028) and table games (186 vs. 272); it did have more poker tables (92 vs. 40). This is basically a repeat of what happened in 2014, when Borgata generated $687.2M in gaming revenue vs. $695.9M for combined Harrah's & Caesar's.

    Resorts $12.6M and Trump Taj Mahal $12.8M had the lowest November 2015 gaming gross revenue of the 8 casinos in Atlantic City. I don't think either survives on its own in the long run. Given their locations, perhaps they should work to convince NJDGE to allow a consolidation of their gaming operations, but even if that is allowed, it might be too little, too late.

    November 2015 gaming gross revenue for the other 3 casinos in Atlantic City: Tropicana $22.6M, Golden Nugget $16.3M, and Bally's $15.3M.

    Rivers Casino (Des Plaines, IL) is the top grossing casino in Illinois. Adjusted gross receipts during November 2015 was $32.9M -- overall significantly lower than Borgata $57.1M but higher than Harrah's $30.1M or Caesar's $24.3M. Keep in mind the Rivers gaming revenue was generated by a much smaller casino than its counterparts in Atlantic City: 43,687 square feet, 52 gaming tables, and 1,022 electronic gaming devices; there is no poker room. It definitely helps to have the best location of any existing Chicagoland casino.
     
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