Tracking Results- Part Two

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  1. SevenOut, May 6, 2018

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    Why? To reveal any abnormal preferences of the dice for future outcomes? OK. Go for it.

    When? Do you use a specific time to begin, and to end? OK. Go for it.

    Results? Dice are Biased? Biased towards which die face, or outcomes? OK. Go for it.

    Perfect Results? Great. You just discovered the FIVE Dice are Biased. OK. Keep going.

    Biased Dice? Which of the Five? OK. This is getting very boring, tiring and frustrating.

    OK. You have pages of details. You may have missed a few outcomes, but you captured most.

    Ding, ding, ding. Boxman breaks in a new set of five dice.

    Repeat.

    If anyone believes this will help you, how if you are not wagering with these dice? Now a new package of five, from possibly a different dice supplier, different color, different security numbers, letter under the one pip.

    Please. Get a life. Life is short enough, as it is.

    Recording the prior results of outcomes of a Random Shooter, a Dice Chucker, Dice Setter, Dice Influencer, Dice Masochism Perfectionist, Psychic, Mind Reader, Goat Humper... the information is already faulty.

    While you are taking notes, saving your $20 Bankroll, others have made money or lost money on the Dice that are now being cancelled and solid at the Gift Shop for $1 a pair. You can take this same pair home, toss them for the rest of your life. Write a book that your mother will buy and no one else.

    Take a word from those who know better. Record Outcomes at the Roulette. Women are attracted to men with a note book and pen. At a Craps Table... you would probably get beat up out in the Parking Lot.
     
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  2. SevenOut, May 6, 2018

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    Go to the Thread... Size of Dice. This is a Craps Question under General Discussion. You have found an assistant.

    Go the the Thread... Size of Balls. This is a Roulette Question. Another Forum.

    I need to quit and Rest my Case. This is a Trial by Jury. Let it rip. I am out of computer key strokes.
     
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  3. Morgue, May 7, 2018

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    Sorry Sev, but I'm afraid we don't talk about craps around here anymore...

    Any attempt is futile and would soon devolve in to a shit slinging massacre.

    Of course, you already knew that though, I'm sure.
     
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  4. lone irish digit, May 7, 2018

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    This is Barney,

    Mr Stu, you seem most very regular. Here is my daily schedule:

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    Poo poo
    P
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    Thank you very much
     
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  5. SevenOut, May 7, 2018

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    I know... I know...

    After five years attempting to steer conversations towards Craps and the numerous... NUMEROUS... methods to narrow down the House Advantage, all that develops is a chronic non Craps tit for tat, personality contests.

    No one has even asked you about the Center Table Proposition Wager Odds at the Crown Casino, in Melbourne, Australia or anything close to Craps outside the USA. I did not leave with any profit, but the tables were full and lively.

    I find that many 'Craps Commentators' on this Forum have very little knowledge of Craps. One cannot argue their position, as they have no position. Ignorance is not knowledge.

    Bubble Craps is a great example. Probably, the more difficult form of Craps, to date. Without an understanding of the finer points of Craps, most table players are lost and incapable of keeping up. They may criticize those who play, but the laugh is on those who do not understand... why they play.

    The majority of discussion on the Forum is outside simple mathematics of Craps, otherwise called Dice Influencing. This is equivalent to someone in his backyard, playing catch with a baseball, expecting to be recruited to the Major Leagues to close the last game of the World Series. I have yet to find a Post on the Forum of a DI, DS or DC explaining their wagering System to complement their... skill(s), if any. Other than reaching out to those who understand Craps, less than they may.

    When I would survey other sites, your name would show up.

    Craps is a simple game of mathematics. More risk, more reward with a deduction for the Table's Bank. Minimize your risk, for lower returns. Maximize your risk, for higher returns. Then find a comfort zone between these two.

    The answer is not out there. There is no answer. Just risk aversion to loss and gain. It is a Game of Numbers and the level of risk any player may want. With limited Bankrolls, Craps is exciting. With an unlimited bankroll, Craps becomes as dull as playing a slot machine. Somewhere between these ideas there is a comfort zone. That should be debated. If someone cannot argue any of this 'points', I have made them up as I type.
     
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  6. KokomoJoe4, May 7, 2018

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    In spite of the fact that I have on 3 occasions turned $5 into $1000 on presses of the hard 6 or 8, I do not like the center table bets and almost never make them. I would guess that I have spent no more than $100 in my life in the middle table.

    So my strategy of play does not often involve the stick-man.

    Put this up only to get out some "strategy talk" for sevenout.
     
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  7. SevenOut, May 7, 2018

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    For those, like myself... I do not recommend pressing FULL winnings on any Hardway Proposition wagers once, twice or three times... ever. Hitting the a Hard six or eight once is reason to pull down your winnings. Maybe press the $5 to $10 is smart using house chips. Anything else, I could make up a better option in my sleep.

    A Hard Six or Eight has an 18+% HA. KJ4 statement does not mention if he covers his Hardway Wager(s) with a Place Bet or Pass Line, how much, how often or only when the Point is a six or eight. (Although I understand his statement is to prove his competence at being a Craps Forum Expert.)

    This is the problem with those who blather nonsense throughout the Forum.

    You do not 'spent $100 in the middle table'. You BET or WAGER would make more sense. I do not need 'strategy talk'. It is the 5,102 posts you have made over four years that has turned the Craps Forum into a magnet for others spewing misinformation.

    Believe it... or not... the Prop Bets and other High HA wagers in the center of the table are High Risk, High House Advantage wagers. When you win... it is much more satisfying than other options. When the table is cheering... it is a Center Table Wager paying out!

    Former and Current Craps Dealers have gone through Craps Systems they follow on a live table. The consensus... you can be a total incompetent and hit a winning streak... once in your lifetime. There is nothing new at a Craps Table... except the Center Table incentives that an accountant calculates they can make money using the HA. They think... Long Run exposure. Players think... Long Run... but their Bankroll is exhausted in the... Short Run.

    You want to be a smart ass and make money... work for yourself. I see them on the corner holding a sign at many stop lights in Las Vegas.
     
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  8. James Hall, May 7, 2018

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    Do you see more at the , STOP LIGHTS , or at the , GREEN LIGHTS???
     
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  9. SevenOut, May 7, 2018

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    Henderson, Nevada locals may be familiar with a couple who take turns at the stop light exiting the 515 at Sunset Drive. Now that it is hot, we have not seen either, but they could be character actors for some PBS Series.

    One day we were exiting the Sunset Station Casino and they were... walking into the Casino. Hmmm... Obviously need no gasoline for the Ferrari or F350 Diesel Ford pickup.

    Some time later in the month HE was standing there with the sign. I 'roll the window down' and asked how they did at the Sunset Station Casino. Not very well, but he began to rave about some Craps game he played at a small Casino in the area.

    So... next time I will ask his handle on the Forum. He obviously has this figured out and was obviously a frequent Craps Player in the area.

    I had to say Stop Lights in Las Vegas. He no doubt posted the Hard Eight presses of $5 to $1000 and did not want to Blow his Cover... Not even a Thank You for keeping this corner open to those who need a helping hand. Five Dollar Station Chips no doubt are accepted...
     
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  10. DeMango, May 7, 2018

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    Well, l and a few others here prefer the D’Alembert system. After that statement, what else is there to say? I suppose a thread could be started on how to translate that system into craps. Certainly pass or don’t pass. But folks here want more than one bet, so you lose them quick. The poster Buckshot is posting on some interesting systems, but that’s about it. Sorry?
     
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  11. von duck, May 7, 2018

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    It is possible to apply the D'Alembert to more than one bet, and not be in a hedge position. Hedging produces a lot of push type hands which does not compliment the "D". :)
     
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  12. SevenOut, May 7, 2018

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    DeMango:

    A Martingale System. Nothing new. Putting lipstick on a System, give it a new name does not change that fact. You eventually run out of money or reach the Table's Maximum allowed wager.

    But... as I said. There are numerous Systems. Over the Long and Short Term... none have proven to be profitable to the Player. UNLESS... you are a Hit and Run Craps Player (or fill in the blank of what Casino Game one plays)

    D'Alembert System: Increase your wager(s) when losing. Decrease your wager(s) when winning. This is probably better with Roulette playing Odd/Even and Red/Black wagers. Using this on a Craps Table the average player's finances would not do very well.

    I would avoid it with Blackjack and Craps. Roulette Players love the Martingale System(s) and the more European the name of the Martingale type system... the better.

    Casino News for Tuesday May 8, 2018. D'Alembert Betting System www.casinonewsdaily.com
    (A good way to skim email addresses from those who visit... maybe? Maybe not.)

    As long as the System is explained, it is fair game. Would this work for Hard Ways on a Craps Table? Of course not... it is not even close to being an Even Money Wager. The closest would be the Pass or Don't Pass, but then this System may not include the Player to make the Odds Wager which pays more than Even Money, but the risk is more than 50%/50%.

    Maybe the Doey / Don't Craps Fans may want to step... on or in it.

    Maybe flipping a coin for Heads or Tails. That is the perfect 'game' for this System. This is also why this is not a Casino Game.

    Tracking...? Maybe move chips in the chip rack to keep count. My counting system... when I have more or less chips that I bought in at the table... that works for me.
     
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    The "D" works just fine at the craps table, and it needn't be reserved for even money bets, in fact, multiple odds bets pay a bonus, if you properly apply the "D". As with anything else, deviation is the enemy. No system wins per say, but the "D" has more merit than any other that I know of. It also provides the "benefit" of being totally detested by the dealers, they absolutely hate it. Throw in a few of my special twists, and you get to watch the wind go out of their sails, and suddenly, they are ones waiting for some kind of a miracle, to bail them out. Bu Ku fun. :)
     
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  14. DeMango, May 7, 2018

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    Thanks but the simple insist everything is a Martingale. Sorry it is not. Fibonacci, D’Alembert, Parolli, La Boucher all different, work different and all are milder ways to play an even money bet than Martingale. Add some influence, and it becomes more interesting. Let the simple press till it’s purple and head for the ATM’s.
     
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  15. KokomoJoe4, May 8, 2018

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    The purpose of my very infrequent H6 or H8 wager is to turn it into a thousand. If I have attempted this 20-25 times, it has not worked 17-22 times. If I had any balls, would have turned the nickel into 5K with the JH let-em-ride technique, but hey a nickel into 1K isn't too bad either.

    I have always considered a mid-table bet as squandered money and for that reason hardly ever make one.

    No, I do not "cover" my very occasional HW wager with a place bet because in my mind, place bets are also poor bets.

    The fact that I play the game almost always with just one wager does nothing to suggest expertise at the game, but it is the way I play. Fun or interesting it is usually not, but it prevents excessive loss and still allows for aggressive progressions when things are rolling the right way.

    Mostly, I see a lot of inactivity at the craps table.
     
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    Dealers, Bu Ku Dinky Dow
     
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    You know how many times I've seen the same guy here with his sign "STRANDED--Need money for bus fare to get back home to Texas"....???

    Too many to count...

    Vegas is ground zero for every scam, known and unknown, ever put to use. Eyes and ears, folks, when you come here.

    You want to buy someone who is hungry a burger?...by all means. Don't give him money because I can just about guarantee that money will find its way into a slot machine.
     
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    I hate to see someone hungry , I keep $5 gift cards redeemable at fast food restaurants in my cars and trucks to give to someone who needs something to eat , I will not give them money but I will see that they get something to eat
     
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    Parlay with a D"Alembert has been my go to strategy lately more so for my line bet...Onautopilot had pointed a few things out to me on this Midnight had also brought some things to my attention
     
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