Update on Bubble Craps

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  1. TR31

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    1. Aruze Craps is hard to make money these days with the constant software changes that Aruze keeps making.

    2. Playing more IB bubble craps due to better odds on field bet / iron cross and 2X+ odds.

    Aruze made a change to bubble craps about 8 months ago and we still have not found a way to overcome this software change. Image going from hitting your numbers 8+ (6,7,8) out of 15 times to less than 6 times. The software change massively affected how the dice rotates in the air ... BIG CHANGE.

    We are still hitting 12+ (6,7,8) in 15 rolls but it’s getting much harder.

    Planning to spend some time in Reno and having fun during Hot August Nights.
     
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  2. JamesTheFagHall, Jul 16, 2019

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    Oh Brother where art thou? Harley is back. Stoooopid Rick needs to hide his chairs
     
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  3. TR31

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    Addendum:

    Making money from playing “both ways”, “both sides”, or “Duey-Don’t” still makes good money during promo’s, loss rebating, and welfare check hustling. Avoiding a box-car is still quite easy to do. It’s not uncommon to average 1 boxcar in 40 to 45 rolls vs theoretical 1 in 36 rolls.

    I’ll see if my teammates lets me put up a run of (6,7,8) so you can see how it was done. Unlike TD, I don’t post short rolls ... my rolls has to be at least 15 or more CONSECUTIVE rolls on the Aruze bubble.

    Separately, a member from a competing bubble craps team taught me a key point in IB bubble craps. IB bubble generally suck because the machine rounds the odd bet against the player, but on a lay to win on a box-number like the 10 ... it’s 5% commission on the bet, and NOT the winning amount. That $1 bet wins $1.95 (it pays 3 for 1 with commission) if 7 comes before the 10. The same $1 bet only pays $1.90 on Aruze Craps. $0.05 per $1 bet making a huge difference, especially when it comes to hedging.
     
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    no one on this board gives me any credit when credit is due.
    you di guys worship and swear by all those names you put on here..
    I predicted , yes it was me, that it wasonly a matter of time before the expert bubble players came on here and bragged about how they are beating up the craps bubbles.
    now we have competing teams.
    and yet, how unbelievable, the casinos keep installing them, keep prospering, despite clear evidence here that they are beatable.
    And live craps tables prosper even though there are boards and posters that openly laugh at the casinos while they make their living off the casinos craps tables.

    I bet these types of threads/posters have the casinos shitting their pants
     
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  5. Mssthis1, Jul 17, 2019

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    I need to start searching for the machine that pays $1.95 for a winning $1 lay the 10 bet. All of the ones I have found so far only pay 47 or 45 cents for a winning $1 lay bet on the 10.

    That would be keys to the vault glitch if you found it.
     
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  6. TDVegas, Jul 17, 2019

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    The only glitch I found was an ability to make an odds bet with no corresponding pass or don't pass wager required.

    In effect a zero house edge game.

    These were the type of odds that tomp looked for around the country. His go to was a free buy 4 and 10. Then utilize his progression play in a zero house edge game.
    Any new game installed in the casino....within hours you get someone telling you how they are beating it. The best ones recently at the bubble are those telling others their hedge play has given them an edge over the game. I suspect this is not the first time this has been said by them on ANY game they've played...

    Then walk by and see $2 and $3 bets out there.:rolleyes:

    I can only assume that since they have convinced their wives that their SS and pension check is going to good use at the casino....thereby justifying the hours in there, that they can convince everyone else playing around them.

    What choice does he have? If he admits the truth....he will instead be accompanying his wife grocery shopping.
     
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    Teams have always existed on the bubble. Just look at Black Oak Casino near Sonora, California. The word was a Las Vegas team hurt that casino on bubble craps towards the end of 2018. Casinos get burned on the bubble all the time.

    Our people took one look at the place in December 2017, two months after the bubble landed, and it was clear we could not play there.

    Liman, you are full of manure like always. All you do is mouth off an opinion, a effen dumb opinion.
     
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    It was a typo. I had written 3 for 1 less commission earlier.

    I should have written buy bet on the 10 (to be consistent with 3 for 1 less commission payoff); the “lay on 10” is a typo, e.g. a mistake.

    I have to admit that commission on the buy amount rather than win amount was not obvious to me if the competing team did not point it out to me.
     
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  9. Mssthis1, Jul 17, 2019

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    Azure machines charge commission on the amount won. Interblock charges on amount bet. Azures charge less commission on lay bets. Interblocks charge less on buy bets. Azures also have place to lose which is a better bet on the six/eight if you're betting green chip or higher.

    That was discussed here many months ago but a refresher never hurts.
     
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    I have written many times how the Reno casinos got burned by bubble crap teams. Despite these factual information, Liman continue to spew bovine manure like a broken record.

    I was at Circus Circus in Reno the day they shut down the Aruze bubble craps game and when it re-opened, it was now $20 coin in to get 1 point. Before the change, teams would camp out on multiplier days, e.g. 3X points and was making $20+ hour at low risk.

    I wrote about how a local AP pounded the Aruze bubble craps machines as they were turned on at the Nugget. As a result, the Nugget changed the coin-in per point just as a team from Las Vegas flew into Reno and missed out. I heard this from the horse’s mouth, e.g. the guy bragging about how he pounded those machines.

    I also wrote about how teams burned out the bubble craps play at Grand Sierra Resorts in a few short months.

    Last year, Rail City finally caved in and took away multiplier points. But Rail City only had 6 seats so that limited the amount of team play.

    I wrote about these situations but Liman having severe, ongoing mental defects repeats the same opinion that teams don’t hurt casinos.

    I could go on and on from personal experience dealing with good teams that milk the opportunities vs bad teams that burn out the opportunities.

    Here is the bottom line, we run into teams all the time since it’s not too hard to spot the good plays. What we do is not obvious and that is why surveillance hasn’t caught on. We use a team like everyone else to help avoid detection.

    You cannot have an idiot standing there tying up two adjacent machines because it’s too damn obvious. The team structure allows us to sit apart, make different bets; having different team members in rotation helps avoid detection.

    Then you have teams that DON’T GIVE A FUCK and pound away so we cannot be near them. It really sucks that you are milking a play and these RECTUMS show up so now you have to leave and can’t be in the casino for like six months to avoid guilt by association.

    Liman can continue with his fairy tales because he like his own bovine manure and if repeated enough times, maybe even he can convince himself that what he said is true.

    This the point Liman will never get: Some teams like us use a great deal of discretion and camouflage. A lot of good plays can be milked for months if done right. But this is BEYOND Liman’s small brain capacity. SMH.
     
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  11. superricktoyou, Jul 17, 2019

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    If all you wrote was true why are you telling it to everybody including the casinos on here?

    From the looks of it all the casinos have to do is do away with the points for playing them. Then you just screwed yourself, very smart on your part!
     
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  12. Off The Table, Jul 17, 2019

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    @TR31 New to the forum and still trying to learn the lingo and culture so please forgive me for any faux pas. Are you saying these teams are taking advantage of the comps with certain betting strategies or are you saying as I've seen mentioned elsewhere they have figured out a way to bet based on an observed pattern of dice behavior?
     
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    ya know, I like you tr31, I like your choice of words, bovine manure. and many times my wife has questioned if my brain was working.


    regardless, I do think, no, no, correction, I know you are full of shit, but you present your bullshit so much better than guys like hall.

    hope your team keeps ripping casinos a new one.....I just remember one thing...when a few certain unnamed people found a glitch in an electronic craps game in Resorts at Aqueduct raceway, as soon as it was discovered, the game was removed within a day. gone, disappeared.
    with so many teams beating the bubble for so much money, Im surprised aruze and interblock haven't shut down completely to re figure all the software, even more confusing, since I know personally people who work in casino corporate, legal depts., and floor people, how come they leave a machine that people can beat constantly without taking it down or removing it from the floor.
    must be some real dumb muthafuckas running those casinos. Amazing they are still around.
     
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  14. TDVegas, Jul 17, 2019

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    Any exploitation of any game...whether for straight out money or some loss redemption comp which can be turned into cash.....

    No human with an ounce of brain matter would share this in a public forum.

    These “teams” are running around and telling other competing teams that they are “cashing in”....?

    Yeah, sounds plausible:rolleyes:

    I’m all for bubble conversation. Just not kooky talk. Next thing ya know duck boy will be telling me it’s fixed, rigged or otherwise compromised.
     
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  15. lone irish digit, Jul 17, 2019

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    This is Barney

    You are full of the shits Mr Ted Vegas personage. There are quite a few gambling forums and Facebook pages where this type of information is shared for the video pokers and slut machine devices. Even the WOV forum occasionally has personages leaking inside advantage play data which pisses other APeers off very much
     
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  16. TDVegas, Jul 17, 2019

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    Ok. I promise you....I will not share.

    If you are hungry, I will buy Barney and LID a nice Salisbury steak dinner....but that’s where I draw the line on “charitable gaming sharing.”
     
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  17. von duck, Jul 17, 2019

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    What sort of software changes did Aruze make?
    Yes, Rigged is what it is, and I don't have any reason to mislead you. :cool:
     
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  18. eagleeye2, Jul 17, 2019

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    TDV,

    We all hope that you realize that the . BUBBLE . CRAPS . game is a . SLOT . MACHINE!!!

    And yes, one can . WIN, . occasionally on a . SLOT . MACHINE!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  19. von duck, Jul 17, 2019

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    One tip on "culture". Don't use words like (faux pas) because TD will have to look it up, and he doesn't like that. :)
     
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    When I took the test to get into Stuyvesant HS in lower Manhattan (in NYC), there were roughly 20,000 test takers and about 800 kids got into Stuyvesant or a 4% acceptance rate based on a merit-based test. You have consistently reminded me that you are part of the 96% that wasn’t good enough ... your IQ is just too low.

    You have this faulty logic that EVERY ARUZE bubble crap machine plays the same; it doesn’t and I’ve written extensively about finding the right machines (e.g. finding them in the right condition).

    Liman, you are just plain dumb and ignorant.

    People are making a killing on bonus slots and this website gives out tips: http://www.advantageslots.com/. These slots are known in the industry as accumulator slots and the casinos generally don’t care about bonus hustlers, scavengers, vultures et al since the casinos already made their money. Your stupid views should also equally apply to bonus slots. The truth is the casinos generally only care if fights break out or guests complain. Btw, in certain Las Vegas casinos, you will be escorted out if you check bonus slots so some casinos DO CARE!!

    Here’s an article where someone made $900,000 from a bonus slot: https://www.njonlinegambling.com/advantage-players-nj-online-casinos-win/

    Liman, you lack a skill and therefore your stupid view has been: Since you can’t do it then no one else can do it too.

    I have NEVER disclosed how we find the right Aruze bubble craps machine or how to find the machine in the right condition.

    And everytime I share information on how Aruze updates their software to make the game HARDER to beat, it obviously falls on deaf ears.

    In summary: BEATING ARUZE CRAPS REQUIRES A SKILL; finding casinos with generous player reward system REQUIRES A SKILL, etc Lots of people on this site have posted that they get benefits like comps, free play, welfare checks in the mail, etc from playing bubble craps. I am not alone. Even TD brags about getting maybe $30 to $50 a month in free play from a casino. It’s just some of us are better at it than others.
     
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