Walk like a man, fast as you can

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  1. Night Attack, Sep 2, 2018

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    Too often when we win craps we give some of it back because we do not walk at the right time. Trying to determine when that time is, well it is the secret isn't it? Sometimes we play on till the next losing hand as we do not want to walk during a hot sequence of shooters and sometimes it works out for us and sometimes it does not. Others colour up immediately after a long hand and I admit I have also done this. That is easy. But when is the right time to walk to optimise your winnings when the table is neither hot or cold?

    May I offer this piece of advice?

    Keep track of what your low points and high points are during your session. For example, if you are at the table and have been playing for an hour and your low point was -$20 and your high point was +$50, and say you happen to catch a couple of good numbers or a pass line parlay, and after the hand is over you now sit at +$120 overall, I suggest that is the time to walk.
     
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  2. Twelve4s, Sep 2, 2018

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    I know Top recommends running to the cage, but running in a casino can draw heat. Calmly walking to the cage may draw less attention.
     
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  3. Mssthis1, Sep 2, 2018

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    On a long roll of my own tosses a comeout seven is the trigger point for me. I don't try to toss comeout naturals. Where ever I have my pass line bet pressed to I take the win and take it down to table min and I don't reload the odds that came down with place bet's. It's made a +$2100 dollar difference for me the last two outings.
     
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  4. HornHighBLEVE, Sep 2, 2018

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    Agreed ...you have to know when to fold 'em. Easier said than done.

    If it's 'one of those days' and I'm down on my 300 buy in. I save a lot of steps to the cage and just leave with my remaining chips...

    ...now when I return I'm locked and loaded to throw down chips to wager if there's a hot hand in progress.

    That, really sweet convenience is something most of you will not fully appreciate unless you live close to a casino.
     
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  5. superrick, Sep 2, 2018

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    Nice SuperRick here, what a profound statement everyone should take HornHighBLEVE advice and just leave the table when you are losing!
     
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  6. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 2, 2018

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    My own criterium consists of asking myself two questions periodically:
    • How will I feel if I continue to play and lose? I think it was in Mike Goodman's "How To Win At..." book where I read, "Don't be a loser once you are a winner." From experience I have learned that finishing in the red after being well into the black is depressing, with the magnitude of that depression increasing exponentially with the difference between the two colors. Even if I salvage some profit, giving back a significant portion of it is a bummer.
    • How will I feel if I quit now but find out later I would have won? (Of course this question forces me to assume that I will find out later I would have won even if I leave the table.) It may be a bit of a stretch, but I think of this question as a variation on The Law of Diminishing Returns. As Rick O'Connell (played by Brendan Fraser) said in one of "The Mummy" movies as the pyramid was being sealed, forcing him and his party to abandon the treasures therein, "Time to go."
     
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  7. basicstrategy777, Sep 2, 2018

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    One of the greatest things you can learn in life........is to know when to give up....throw in the towel.....stop.........if you are one of those that want to fight to the death...that' fine too....but it might not be a bad idea to live and fight another day........in a way, it's not quitting, just extending.

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    how much can one tolerate? if youre on a winning hand, I don't see any harm in seeing if the next guy makes a small run also, min bets, give him the benefit of doubt, if he pso , you don't have a lot invested, if he hits some points, you are still on a winning session, maybe just making a bit less with some trimmed down betting.
     
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  9. HornHighBLEVE, Sep 2, 2018

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    5 days a week I'm closer to a casino than you are, the other 2 days I'm just as close.

    So knowing when to withdraw with chips in hand for a return engagement has been a good move for me.

    Your mileage may vary.

    ...as an aside I suspect you are the unmedicated SuperRick posting under the personages of the Nice SuperRick.

    Thus, then; I called it.
     
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  10. James Hall, Sep 2, 2018

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    On this subject I have always thought of that
    point in the game where the losing begins and
    you are giving back the money you have won as
    "THE POINT OF INCREASING RETURNS"
    Some folks will remain until they have returned it all.

    I view losing , money won , much worse than
    losing bankroll.
     
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  11. James Hall, Sep 2, 2018

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    A tactical withdrawal / retreat to fall back , regroup and counterattack .
    very good point.
     
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  12. superrick, Sep 2, 2018

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    This is the nice SuperRick, It's very nice to see that you are closer to a casino than I am every day. Do you walk to one or do you need to drive to get there, Just a stupid question for all of your followers? I know that it will make a profound difference on everybody on this board if you are closer to a casion than I am!

    With your fantastic post, it would lead me to believe that you are still working and missing out on church that must be right next to the casino to get all of those sinners through those big gates to heaven on Sundays!

    Oh, my god is that it, my wife is putting medication is my drinks. Thank you so much for letting me know what happened to me! Now if I can only get the nurse in here to help me get dressed I may be able to walk to the casino! Or should I have you call me an Uber because you think I live so far away from one?
     
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  13. superrick, Sep 2, 2018

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    Nice SuperRick here, I'm so happy to find out that you are closer to a casino than I am for five days a week! I guess that you miss out on church on one day because there has to be one right next door to get on of those sinners through those doors to heaven on every Sunday!
    Oh, my god now I know what happened to me, my wife must be putting something in my drinks to make me nice once again!
    If I could only get my nurse to unlock the door I may be able to walk over to the casino or do you want to call an Uber for me because you think it's too far for me to walk?
    Well, anyway just knowing that you are closer to a casino than I am will make a profound change in everybody's life on this board! What is it do you work in one maybe I bumped into you without even knowing it!

    I'm sorry I only go to the casinos for my entertainment, after all, we all know that you can't win at craps so why even try?
     
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  14. The Comeback Kid, Sep 2, 2018

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    Thanks NA for a great post.
    Here's my humble take...
    Some say golf is the perfect game of life. I say its Craps.
    Gentleman, we are involved in game-play. Game-play offers lessons for life that work can only dream of. Usually the only lesson work offers is compliance & risk aversion. But in a perfect world mistakes should be encouraged. How ya gonna learn? Safety is a slow death, while we become alive in the adventure of game-play. Maybe it’s because this is where we can fine tune our internal guidance in the face of the unknown & freely experience the consequences of our decisions, both good & bad. And there’s always a next time to get it righter.

    Sometimes we’re hypnotized by the flow of the game. We become so intensely focused on the action, that it can distract us from the sensitivity required to read the subtle indicators screaming at us. We all saw that point 7 out & losing our $64 across stings, but we believe that digging ourselves out of a hole, is gonna feel better than leaving with a lighter bankroll. Until we blink & the bankroll is gone. Go back & acknowledge the subtle flipping point. Trust me it's there. Most often it was the time when you thought you could fix it. Next time instead of ignoring, disengage, because you can't fix what ain't broke. It may not be what you want, but it ain't broke.

    We act emotionally but reflect rationally & then beat ourselves up for a decision that produced unwanted results, not realizing that it’s impossible to be rational w/o emotion. True, being overly emotional can overwhelm rationality, but without emotion there is no reasoning at all. Thus, we become paralyzed to make any decision.

    What game-play teaches most assuredly are the benefits of (EQ) emotional intelligence. We just have to get better at it & recognize the signs our gut is telling us. So the next time you inquire as to why you did that, rather than beat yourself up, just reply…Reasons. And you'll do better next time. Most assuredly...
     
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  15. HornHighBLEVE, Sep 2, 2018

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    unmediated SR
    That is so bizarre, rambling and confounding, I don't know where to begin and if I did...should I?

    I'm going to give you a mercy 'like' and back away slowly so you don't get it fixed in your mind to stalk me. You know, like you mercilessly, pit bull like, stalked and drove the Mad Professor away from posting.

    Yeah...that was a real good move. Now we get to read your commentary on the posts of others instead of MP's.
     
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  16. KokomoJoe4, Sep 2, 2018

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    There is no question when to fly the coup during a progression - play until you see a loser. Never quit on a winner.

    For times when you can never get ahead, you're better off leaving before the entire buy-in disappears.
     
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  17. James Hall, Sep 2, 2018

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    The absolute safest exit plan should be built
    into the betting strategy. That way you
    are not tempted to overstay or exit the game
    beyond what the rule DICTATES.
     
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  18. superrick, Sep 2, 2018

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    Nice SuperRick here, now I get it you loved reading that fiction so much that you actually thought the great fiction writer was traveling the world playing craps and that everywhere that he went they didn't have the internet! Are you sure that you don't have a split personality and you're really DeMango?


    Maybe I should get my wife to send you some of the stuff that she has been slipping into my drinks and she can fix that split personality and you can mellow out!

    Now, that I see Dave from Connecticut posting again maybe he can tell you where MP is after all he had a very cozy relationship with the great fiction writer Mp. Dave are you out there or have you been traveling with Mp?


    Gee, I didn't know that I alone had such a profound impacted on the great fiction writer and I alone was the reason Mp stopped posting on all of the DI boards! What a great loss to everybody in the craps playing world. Sorry I didn't know that there were so many of you that loved reading fiction!

    I guess that you never got to meet Mp, because I'm sure if you did you would have become a millionaire just by betting with him and his SRR of 28! I loved the guy he gave me so many great laughs with all of his wonderful stories.

    Maybe my buddy James should start writing just like Mp and everybody would be standing around a craps table talking about all of James great rolls he had after a concert let out!

    Now that James knows what you are into I'm sure that he can come up with a few stories that will keep you riveted to your seat! What do you think he can have an SRR of 24 we wouldn't want to outdo your hero Mp?
     
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    Top shouldn't be running anywhere with that switchblade taped to his shin, Too bloody dangerous.
     
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    You mean the odds on the come bets that came down, not the place bets. Still, I like the sound of that $2.1k. Well done.
     
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