Welcome To The Craps forum... The Game is "Winnable" !!!

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  1. Grizzoola, Mar 11, 2014

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    Do either of these guys have player's cards where they frequent? I'd think they'd have all kinds of comps at the Tunica casinos where they seem to frequent.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Mar 11, 2014

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    Winning at a 99% clip, you should not have a problem building up a nice bankroll for Vegas. You're talking 450+ wins and 4 losses!! You should have an enormous bankroll to play $1,000-$5,000 with ease with those results. Let the board know when your crew is in Vegas and where. I'd love to witness a 99%'er clean house. At 99% winning, it's no longer gambling..you're just taking guaranteed money.
     
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  3. Southern-Comfort, Mar 11, 2014

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    I've said it before.. if I could do that I would just hit Vegas for a month and never have to worry about it again. But... what is a win? Whats the buy in? How much do you walk away with? Is walking away with $1 more than you bought in with being called a win? I don't believe these type of specifics have ever been addressed.
     
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  4. 514natural, Mar 11, 2014

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    "The strategy" is the best thing to happen to craps players worldwide?
    Just pay xxx...xx$ and "The Strategy" is mines??
    99% win rate?

    Sounds too good to be true.
    and u know what they say about that.

    Maybe your winning record holds true Obie1, but understand why what you say sounds completely absurd.
    Anything is possible granted but at what point do we discredit potential bullshit
     
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  5. 514natural, Mar 11, 2014

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    I hear very few people on this forum break down real life craps situations.
    Most people spend their time boasting about how great their strategy is and how successful they are.
    Very few poster "Keep it real" and maybe I was wrong to believe that the Majority of people on a forum of any kind would be worthy of keeping things honest.

    I dont bullshit in my post no matter how few they are.i go to the casino,sometimes i win other times I lose.

    I feel like I have a winning record over the casino but dats mostly cause I leave my bankcard and credit card at home on my trips. The frustration of losing sucks and might tempt the most disciplined of souls to risk another bankroll.

    you guys who are on these forums trying to convince people to in debt themselves to buy a system or "strategy" are sick fucks.
    The casino gives us false hope and you guys promote that hope in a more intricate way.
    "We were just like you til we got this system"
    full of shit
    but kudos on the hussle . can't knock it.
    if someone calls u out though dont keep feeding bs.back away and go to the nearest city that is yet to hear of your brilliant scheme

    best of luck to all.
    Natural
     
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  6. obie1

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    Just to add... Yes (to your latest post), presently able to make larger bets on a more frequent basis.

    Obie1
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 12, 2014

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    Like others I am skeptical that The Strategy is anything other than a train wreck waiting to happen, but I come in peace, reluctant to throw stones at a target that I have yet to see for myself. I am here to note a similarity between The Strategy and Project X :eek:, a roulette system with an equally impressive won/loss record...until recently. The two-plus-year history of Project X is chronicled in over 7500 posts to the thread iamprojectx on the Roulette Forum (http://www.rouletteforum.com/viewthread/3138/), and the volume of activity about the system prompted Jacob to give it its own section. Of course initially I and other sages :rolleyes: expressed concerns that the system, which was concealed in some software which merely told the user how much to bet and on what, was not the Holy Grail it was purported to be, but the proselytes were not deterred, and even admonished us to cease and desist.

    I stopped following Project X in January, 2012 (http://www.rouletteforum.com/viewthread/3138/P180/#13094), but learned from posts to other threads that the software evolved into a bot, allowing users to accumulate wealth beyond imagination at online casinos while they pursued other pleasures. I revisited the thread when Project X's failure was mentioned elsewhere (http://www.rouletteforum.com/viewthread/16513/) and found that the inevitable had indeed occurred (http://www.rouletteforum.com/viewthread/3138/P7515/#41263 and a few following).

    I cannot trash The Strategy nor even offer a specific opinion of it, again because I know nothing about it. My point, as in the Project X discussion, is that a method that cannot demonstrate a mathematical advantage will fail eventually. "Eventually" may take a while by human standards, but given enough time "eventually" will arrive, and it may not take even "a while" :(. Systems that win more times than they lose are a dime a dozen; the Holy Grail is a bit more elusive.
     
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  8. six shooter, Mar 12, 2014

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    TMS..You seem like an open and fair minded person. We have never tried to sell the strategy "sight unseen" only come and see for yourself before you make a decision. I only hope more people like yourself will take us up on our offer and come and see for yourself. I think all of us are on these sites for one reason, to get the edge on Casino's and beat them. Best of luck and hope our path's cross at the Casino.
     
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  9. Grizzoola, Mar 12, 2014

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    Until you guys make an appearance in Vegas, I cannot give any credence to anything you claim. There are many on this board who live in the West and are itching to watch you guys in action, but don't have the means or desire to make a trip to Tunica or Detroit to witness what you claim. I go to Vegas at least once a year, but unless your appearance there coincides with one of my trips, I won't be there when you are.

    BTW, have you plied your "strategy" in AC? If not, why have you not demonstrated your skills in either AC or Vegas? Those are two places I'd think you'd get the most notoriety and customers.

    I'd still like to know if you have player's cards at the casinos you frequent and whether or not you get comps.
     
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  10. superrick, Mar 12, 2014

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    I was approached by the last latest and greatest system seller because he knew that I help run a craps board, I finally agreed to meet with him, and had a three hour meeting, where I kept telling him his system, strategy, method was based on nothing but superstition!

    Out of that first meeting, we agreed on meeting at one of the strip casinos, when I was shooting, I think I had a 28 roll, he immediately proclaimed that he was done with his session and went to the cage to cash out a winner. Gee I guess that I should have bought his system, strategy, method, after all I just seen it work one time!

    Of course he told me how great this system worked, after that win, but I had a trick up my sleeve for him. After that great win I told him to buy in one time without me shooting, guess what he lost. His excuse for losing, was that he missed a couple bets that he should made. I told this guy upfront that I had no intention to buy his system, strategy, method before we even met the first time! After seeing it played two times the truth was out it just didn't work!
    The reason for that is nobody wants to be classified as a loser. I tell everybody that even though others call me a DI, I can't win all the time. The only way I come out ahead is with money management! I'm always writing about all the fiction that is written on the different craps boards and in some books.

    Some of the stuff that's written on these different craps boards is so outrageous it's not even funny, but the owner's of these boards allow it to happen because they are selling a school or products. This fiction is so out of hand and so widespread that the casinos actually believe it.
    To start with, casinos are in business to make money. They are nobody's personal ATM's, if you are to good for them, they simply ban you from play. I tell all my DI buddies to never give a casino a players card and to constantly move their play around. The comps they give you aren't worth getting banned for. If I can't afford a room or dinner I would stop playing craps. If you're not playing black or above you gets squat for comps! Most of all the craps players I know use their wives comps from slot play to get their rooms and their dinners paid for!
     
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  11. six shooter, Mar 12, 2014

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    Griz...We have a AC trip planned on April 4th with over 20 people planning to attend, friends, observers and alumni meeting us there just to play on the same table. Some like the camaraderie, most want to see Lou and some want to shoot with great DI's. Players cards, of course we have players cards, we have not paid for one flight, one room or any meals at any place we play. We are also very generous to any observers or alumni, we always ask for any person joining us to be added to our comped meals. We have a great group of guys in Tunica that join us from around the Country each month when we fly in. We have a lot of laugh's and share information with some very savvy players to better our attack on the Casino's. If you think we think we have the corner on intelligence for the game of craps, your sadly mistaken. Our strategy improves monthly with the help of our alumni! As to why we don't go to Vegas or AC, we made an exception this time for AC and probably will not go again without a good reason. Why Tunica,$5 dollar tables, 20 - 100x odds, decent tables to shoot on and have always been comped for everything. We like playing more than teaching and for craps players we have the best advantage in Tunica.
     
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  12. six shooter, Mar 12, 2014

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    SuperRick...We have had a handful of players who have taken "The Strategy" with referrals or talking to us. The rest are no different than you "SHOW ME!" We have showed them and we prefer it that way. We had one group that viewed over 50 successive winning sessions in five different trips before they took the seminar. So I guess we agree on something, come and see for yourself before you make the investment.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Mar 12, 2014

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    Does anyone have any info on how, in a general sense they are accomplishing a 99% win rate? I don't need specifics. Are they hedging bets, doubling down on wins or losses, or some other "method"?
     
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  14. Southern-Comfort, Mar 12, 2014

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    So come on down to Bossier, with $5 tables (although if you're so sure you are gonna win I have to wonder why), 100x odds and triple pay on 12 on a field bet.. with fire bets of course.
    $5 tables with that winning percentage. Doesn't make sense.
     
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  15. TDVegas, Mar 12, 2014

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    So, they are playing pass or don't pass with max odds? That's part of the 99% winning? Aye.
     
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  16. superrick, Mar 12, 2014

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    Well with this 99% win rate, I guess that the casinos will no longer have craps next year, so for all the guys that do play, we should be looking for another game, I once heard, that with card counting you could beat the house if you only play BJ. We all know how that is doing!
     
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  17. The Comeback Kid, Mar 12, 2014

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    They'll just ban the doey/don't. It's trending...

    If you ran a casino, would you allow someone to occupy a potential revenue producing spot
    at a table with a full crew of dealers, suits, heat/electric bills, union contracts, maintenance workers,
    maids, bell hops, cooks, security, etc. without a commitment?
    And just allow them to rack up comps and expenses?

    "Ain't got time for that"

    Soothe your troubled heart, craps ain't going nowhere.

    If you can shoot well, betting is easy - press/collect.
    Because (I think) you always bring yourself - don't you?

    You can never know where someone else has been, so have fun with a few 6/8 bets while you wait.
    And let the good times roll.
    There ya go gentlemen, I've solved all of your problems, and it's free!

    But I believe the World's Most Interesting Craps Player" will be fine, because...
    he is the...

    Roll well my friends
     
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  18. Liman

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    I cant believe I wont be able to make this to watch.
    Im so close, its killing me.
    I have to be in Philadelphia april 4th for something I cannot get out of.
    I made plans to go to harrahs in chester on the 5th, how long are you guys staying and shooting in AC?
     
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  19. six shooter, Mar 12, 2014

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    If you don't have a commitment..how do you win? The doey/don't allows you to play either side of the dice at any given time and we do change from the do to the don't or don't to the do during the roll. Our advantage changes with every roll of the dice. This is the reason we want each person to view the strategy before committing to it. You need patience and discipline, you have to be willing to chart, you have to be willing to play the don't at times, neutral (no bet) and some people just can't commit to that. Most people believe the reason you play the doey/don't is to receive true house odds, that is not the case for the strategy.
     
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  20. six shooter, Mar 12, 2014

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    Liman.....We will be arriving on Friday the 4th, playing 2-3 sessions, Saturday we will play 4 sessions and Sunday 2-3 sessions before we return home. We will be playing between the Taj and Caesars.
     
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