What casino game do you stand a chance at winning at?

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  1. superrick, Dec 27, 2016

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    What casino game do you stand a chance at winning at?

    I thought that I would go out there and see what I could find on professional players and what better one to start with but Don Johnson! Some of you might know who he is and other won't so here is the deal he plays Black Jack and beats the casinos big time because he is what they call a whale!

    So anymore you can find a video on just about ant]ything if you know how to do a search right!
    So here is the deal guys once again I when and did the work for you because I wanted TDVegas to watch this video!

    We all want certain things when we are doing anything in life but some of us will work at it a lot harder than other. We are not afraid to lose nor are we afraid to win! We work hard at what we do even if it's gambling!

    We are not afraid to read as many books as we can get our hands on to see if there is anything that we can exploit in any of the casinos game we play.
    I want TDVegas to pay attention and listen to what the casino managers have to say. Also what Don Johnson had to say at the start of the video!



    So, TDvegas, did you learn anything from this video or was it once again a waste of my time putting it out there for you to watch?

    Did you happen to catch where the CEO said the best games for the player to beat the house was?

    How about the part where they talked about psychological warfare?

    How about you the player staying Focus and not making mistakes which worked both ways for him the player?

    Did you catch where Don said he is still studying the casinos?

    Now here is the funny part of what I'm posting TDVegas lives in a city where we have the best libraries for you the player. You can find books on casino management and how to play every game there is in the casinos or how to deal every table game in them! The killer is he says he never read any books on the gaming management or even the games they offer!

    Now, I know what he is going to write before I even thought about writing this post. The number one thing is they wouldn't ban him they wanted him to play! So there is no way that they would ever ban a craps player!

    Well, how does he know that sitting at the bubble craps machine?
    He doesn't hang out on the real tables when someone that the casinos do not want in their casinos would be playing craps! If they have the players like Don, the little players like me and other local craps players would never be run off!

    The one thing that TDVegas has never taken into consideration is that the stupid managers are superstitious and so are the boxmen and stupid dealers! If a table is dumping and the only way they can stop the player is to take the dice off of them when they feel that you can beat them. Then they will tell you that they no longer want your business or if they are really stupid they will 86 you!

    Okay, TDVegas let's hear it then, I also want to hear from hartzehn22, DeMango, twodicebilly, gargoil, and let's not forget snakeyes, because unlike you, they play real craps to win at the game!
     
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  2. TDVegas, Dec 27, 2016

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    You keep believing you can beat craps Rick....

    The casinos open the door for you.

    Why don't you ask all these guys why they didn't pursue craps for a living...and instead all decided to work 9-5 jobs....with a boss, with a schedule, with a time clock. Including you.

    Ya ain't beating craps, Rick.
    Nice dream for you. Dreaming is good. Dreaming is fun.
    Just don't lose too much, ok.

    "I've met Don Johnson. I've seen him play....Rick, you're no Don Johnson.";)

    Where on good earth did you get it in your head that advantage blackjack play has anything to do with advantage craps play?

    We all know card counters can beat the game.
    Craps? No. There is no one beating craps.

    You say you read hundreds of books...casino gaming, management, math, etc---and with that you still hold to the FALSE idea that a place bet is a better EV than a come bet.

    I think I'm better off in not reading your books. Your books are giving you wrong information.
     
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  3. superrick, Dec 27, 2016

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    So, you partied with him, good for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  4. superrick, Dec 28, 2016

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    You, know TDVegas, you did exactly what I thought you would do and that was to not view the video!
    No, you just made your post 18 minutes after I made my first post and the video was 46 minutes long!

    There were a lot of things in that video that shows how he won playing blackjack and it had nothing to do with counting cards and the casinos knew that part of it!
    You didn't even take the time to see how he did it now did you? No, you were just determined to tell me and everyone on this board that I couldn't possibly win at craps nor could anybody else!

    You said that the books are a waste of time well if that is true and once again you think the only way there is to win is just by luck why are you posting on this board? You will never learn anything from it now, will you?

    For the rest of the members here watch the video and see what you can pick out of it! Don't be like TDVegas and think that you can't beat anything in the casinos!

    No, I'm not Don Johnson, and I don't want to be I don't want to win millions and I know that would be almost imposable to do. I'm the guy that is happy just winning some money when I'm playing craps and went out to see if there is any way that you can by reading every book I could get my hand on and trying different stuff while playing craps!

    I'm not afraid to lose and I don't win every time I'm in the casinos. I'm not a professional craps player. No, I'm the guy that whats you to know what you are up against when you are playing craps!
     
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  5. Edward-ky, Dec 28, 2016

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    He was in a position where he could change the rules of the game and negotiate certain things. I doubt anyone here has that ability to do. The timing was just right as well. Did I hear it right he worked with math genius's for strategies to. Yes they mentioned craps. Straight up craps. So what is straight up craps. Although I may have missed him saying get some used dice and tossing them into a shoebox to practice. So out of 46 minutes, about 15 seconds of it had something to do with craps.
     
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  6. superrick, Dec 28, 2016

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    Edward-ky, it had a lot of things that go into making a winner. Craps is just one of the games that the casino CEO said was a good game for you the player. Don, didn't win all of that money without doing his homework which there are a lot of guys on this and ever other craps boards do not understand!

    Go back and watch it again and see what else you can pull out of it!
     
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  7. Edward-ky, Dec 28, 2016

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    At 5:40 in the video he says baccaret, perfect strategy blackjack, and straight up craps. Not just craps but straight up craps. So what does straight up craps mean? He didn't say baccaret, blackjack and craps. He specifically said straight up craps. What about all the mentions about the math of the games. Can you please tell me what he says about the math of the game?
     
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  8. Edward-ky, Dec 28, 2016

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    Oh and by his homework wasn't one of the things he did was get with a few of math genius guys?
     
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  9. TDVegas, Dec 28, 2016

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    It's generally baccarat, then basic strategy blackjack, then craps...as far as the best games to play. ALL of them still carry as house edge.

    The only one that is truly beatable in the sense of turning house edge into a player advantage is card counting in blackjack.

    I can't be 100% sure but I don't think I've ever seen a story on a true professional craps player. They really don't exist. A true professional gambler will either play blackjack, poker or handicap sports.

    No one is saying it's impossible to win at craps...the sims allow for a very small percentage to be net positive over their play. That's not making an income nor is it regular money. Simply net positive. Some of those net positive may be up $100 after 30 years of play. They would be qualified as net ahead and part of the 5% playing pass 2x that win.
     
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    I don't think he's talking about any of them being beatable---just that they offer the player the lowest house edge play for their money. I would assume it means playing the lowest house edge bets on the craps table. Perfect strategy blackjack is not card counting and the house still holds an edge. That's probably why he said "perfect strategy" and not card counting.

    Someone can play craps with upwards of 25% house edge...in that case he's probably making the worst bets in the casino...worse than slots, the big wheel, War or any other game.
     
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    I've seen that video before...didn't feel like watching it again.

    One question...do you consider yourself an "off-axis" dice influencer?
     
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  12. Edward-ky, Dec 28, 2016

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    Everyone influences the dice whether for the good or the bad.
     
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  13. tabletop123, Dec 28, 2016

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    It is VERY hard to consistently influence the dice (to your advantage), but It only takes one 6/8 per 36 rolls to gain an advantage!

    An average shooter still will NOT get CLOBBERED if he/she sticks to the low house edge bets ONLY! Now, this is assuming that you are NOT playing with unbalanced dice!

    Passline With odds ONLY is just not enough action for Old Top, so I tend to do the 6&8!
     
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  14. TDVegas, Dec 28, 2016

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    Right...that was the challenge I took. If anyone thinks it can be done (just 1 stinkin extra 6 per 36)....let me be the first to hit you in the forehead with my palm. It's not easy...it is difficult....and I will question if it can be done with anything resembling consistency. I don't think it can.

    I had sequences where the 6 showed up more. In fact I had a sequence of 36 where it showed up 14 times!!!.....but....

    Trying to get 1 extra 6 per 36 consistently...to beat the house? Good luck. You'll need it.
     
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    No! I said one extra 6 OR 8! Does it matter which one(asking respectfully)?
    Now, when you say a PARTICULAR number, you border on the brink of "Sniping" numbers! Ain't happening!

    Every point cycle dice set contains the "Sister" number! If a Di uses the 2V, or 3V, & they tell you SPECIFICALLY which number will hit the most.......Aesop's fables!
     
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    One of the math guys can crunch those numbers....but if in 36 rolls you roll one extra 6 (6) but one less 8 (4) than expectation?...not sure how that plays out. Any exceeding expectation by 1 (#6) is going to have a balloon push on the other (#8) if that one doesn't meet expectation.

    If you doing an either or (6 or 8) and betting on both----if one beats expectation by 1 (on the 6) and the other fails to meet random expectation (on the 8) by 1...? Not sure how that plays out.
     
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    I might add that any Di that is using ANY of the "Conventional" School Taught tosses, such as Parr, GtC, etc that ARE REALLY beating the Casinos, have a VERY short shelf life!

    Why? Now, I am NOT saying if the tosses work or not, BUT for ANYONE that attempts those tosses......They LOOK too professional, whether they work or not!

    Now, I know......The Casinos have nothing to fear JUST BECAUSE some guy is bent over the table at Stick Left Spinning the dice in perfect tandem!

    BUT FOR THE LIFE OF ME.......WHY would a Di want to associate themselves with ANY toss that looks rehearsed? To make matters worse, if you ask ANY ONE of the guys that shoot Parr, GTC, underhand, etc......they will SWEAR to you that they are "Flying under the radar"! Lol

    It simply staggers the mind! Lol. Now, Old Top is just an "Average" tosser! Nothing Special! Win some, lose some, but I tell you what........If I DID possess some of the skill as these so-called "Specialist", I would develop a toss/s that LOOKS random as shit, & operate with total impunity!

    I'd hammer the shit out of EVERY Casino, KNOWING that I have "blended in" with the masses, & am NOT considered a Di'ng threat to the Casino's bottom line!

    Sadly, modern Day Di's travel In groups, use the same toss, & want EVERYONE in the Casinos ( and anywhere else) to KNOW that they are a Di, &........LOOK how great my toss looks!

    No one is thinking outside the Box! Everyone thinks dice MUST be tossed in tandem in order to exert influence! How many have developed a "Can't shoot for shit" looking toss? NOT MANY!

    Now, I won't debate as to whether People are beating the game with Dice Influencing, but for the ones that ARE.......You are SO VERY EASY to recognize in the Casinos!

    What ever happened to the "Old School" Hustlers that wouldn't even tell You where they parked their car? Let alone....that they have discovered a way to influence a Dice Roll, & don't mind sharing! Lol

    Now, I do realize that Craps ain't like hustling pool, but.........Times have really changed & I do consider the REAL Di's as true hustlers, because they have a interest to protect!

    So, where does Old Top fit into the Equation? He doesn't!

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  18. tabletop123, Dec 28, 2016

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    Doesn't matter! As long as the are eleven 6/8's TOTAL......WINNER! At least that's my understanding! Seven 8's, three 6's......doesn't matter! Combined total of eleven gets the cash?
     
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    I think it's fair for the Di to say that per 36 rolls, they will make a profit off of the 6//8 bets! Case in point: Shooter tosses Seven 7's, BUT he tosses fourteen 6/8's!

    Yeah, the 7's were lousy, but look at all of those 6/8's!
     
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  20. Dave G Ct, Dec 28, 2016

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    How about SR ' s New Year's Resolution-
    No more videos unless you want to bring back the " Masked Avenger"
     
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