What do you hate about other craps players?

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  1. Lifeisacrapshoot, Jun 8, 2013

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    Yeah, it's a trip how some people have the "balls" to bother anyone for anything these days. You're lucky that nobody has hit you up for money, etc. My guard is way up now. It's also good to be on guard for the people who like to get close behind you at a table to "watch" the game. I've heard stories of non-players being "curious" and just wanting to see how craps is played. They get wayyy to close for comfort, all up in your space, then the next thing you hear is someone yelling that someone ripped off some of their chips when they weren't looking or when the action was so busy that the "victim" wasn't paying attention.

    Someone here on the forum once said, put some white/dollar chips on both ends of your larger denomination chips. That way if someone does try to pull some of your chips, they will have to work to get to the higher denomination chips in the middle of your rack.

    Have a Lucky Day!

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  2. DeMango, Jun 8, 2013

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    Pam; You still haven't answered what share a number is all about.
     
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  3. Lifeisacrapshoot, Jun 9, 2013

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    Hi DeMango,

    Oh sorry, I thought I had. Sometimes players want to go 50/50 on the price of a bet. If I were to say, OK, then if and when that particular number hits we split the payout. Simply put, if a player does not have a lot of money, they sometimes might ask the player next to him/her, if they'd like to "share a number" or "Go in on a bet". I did it one time last year. I knew the guy and his money was pretty much gone, so I helped him out by putting $12.00 of my chips on the "6" and he gave me $6.00. When that number hit, we split the $14.00 payout of $7.00 to me and $7.00 to him.

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  4. DeMango, Jun 9, 2013

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    Okiedokey, that must mean a $10 game and someone only has $6 for a 6 or 8?
     
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  5. BigBen, Jun 9, 2013

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    Nice gesture Pam.
    Especially being that you already knew the guy.


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  6. The Midnight Skulker, Jun 9, 2013

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    OK, so it's not really a loan; the requester is putting up his/her own money. I don't think I would have any problem with that, though the pit might not like it.

    Near the beginning of my gambling career I had a player next to me "share a hand" at the blackjack table. He had been getting wiped while I had been making a steady profit. Rather than play the last of his chips himself he put them next to mine. Cards were dealt and I had a double down hand. I put out my extra bet and glanced his way. He shrugged and indicated he was all in, so I covered his bet as well. When I won the hand we had no problem dividing the spoils; I took what was mine and indicated by hand gesture that what remained, his bet and its payoff, was his. He took his chips, nodded a thank you, and left.

    "Sharing a number" sounds like a variation of The Oddsman's Bet (see http://midnightskulker.casinocitytimes.com/article/the-oddsmans-bet-revisited-58999), but it isn't IMHO. The players doing the sharing are being exposed to the same house advantage; they are in effect merely pooling resources. While I think I lack the chutzpah to ask someone else to share I would have no problem with someone asking me...providing the requester was putting up less than the table minimum. If you can make the bet for yourself why not do so? Could it be you intend to dispute the division of spoils should the bets win?

    OTOH The Oddsman's Bet is an attempt to get into a more favorable position than the player allowing it. I would never consider asking someone to let me make it; I honestly don't know how I would react if someone asked me to let them make it. Might depend on how pretty she is. %-P
     
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    if it was a friend of mine, and he was down to his last few bucks and needed to piggyback on a bet of mine, Id suggest to him to take his money and wait for another day, never go home without a nickel of your bankroll.

    I have, when I first started to play, and my FIL never took odds, hed make a pass line bet and I was quite content betting only the odds on his pass line bet.
     
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  8. DiceSteve44, Jun 10, 2013

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    Hate is too strong but I do not like when Don't players sit side by side by side at the end of the table I throw to. They tend to spread their bets all the way across. This does not leave me much room to land my dice. I guess that is considered dice influencing.
     
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  9. Lifeisacrapshoot, Jun 10, 2013

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    Hi,

    I agree with you DiceSteve44. I have seen that several times. It irritates me because it seems unfair and tacky to spread their Don't bets in such a way to deliberately try to make the shooter 7 out. Sometimes that action/behaviour can backfire on them. I no longer have issues with Don't players because I finally began to understand that strategy, which is fine with me, but do not try to screw up my roll or another shooter's roll by piling up a huge stacks of chips or spreading chips in such a way as to mess up a roll, especially a good one. To me, it is NOT good sportsmanship.

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  10. Lifeisacrapshoot, Jun 10, 2013

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    Hi "The Midnight Skulker",

    I talked about 2 different situations:

    When I said, "Loan", I was referring to the people who have literally, flat out, asked to borrow money from me. I was being somewhat sarcastic when I used the word, "Loan", because as I have found out, you should not expect to see that money again, thus turning it into a "gift". I don't like people who try to BORROW money from me, especially Strangers in a casino. One young man who I thought was a good guy asked me for a small loan when he was down. I helped him out and he said he'd repay me the next time he sees me. Not only hasn't he re-paid me, but I see him all the time and he avoids me. I have not asked him about the money and I've been cordial to him, but I said adios to that money last year. Ironically, I see him with a lot of red and green chips now and he waves to me from other tables. And, I give him a nice big wave right back. ;)

    The other situations had to do with players who would sometimes ask if I'd be willing to help them out when their money was very low, by sharing a bet on a particular Place Bet number, usually. We'd go "havesies" on a number, IF the table had a minimum higher than what that player could afford, such as a $10.00 Minimum table, but they were down to only a few dollars. By me sharing with another player they could possibly win some money and build up their funds, which is fine, but I don't want to get into the habit of doing the share a number thing. One of the reasons that I don't like to do the "Share" is because if I do it once, then that player I helped once will ask again and again. I don't want to be unsympathetic, but I am trying to play my own strategy and I try to stay on budget when I play.

    Forgive any redundancies.

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    you must be kidding. So I can't make a bet I want because it might "mess up your roll"??????!!
     
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  12. Sancho Panza, Jun 11, 2013

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    If that refers to the taking of odds, where would be a good place to put them down? As it stands, the house and its dealers now dictate just where which bets go.
     
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  13. DiceSteve44, Jun 12, 2013

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    The chips are spread right across. Their chip value is much larger than mine. They win huge when I seven out. They affect the throw but the casino does not care. They just pay and pay. When I get a good roll going their chips increase. No landing zone.
     
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  14. Sancho Panza, Jun 12, 2013

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    "Spread right across" just what? On the DC or DP? Behind the line or where exactly? Can you say that Place and Come bets do not disturb your shooting similarly? What casino lets so many players sit at the railing?
     
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  15. Lifeisacrapshoot, Jun 12, 2013

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    If you want to put a large amount of chips in your betting area, especially if you're standing Straight Out, Why not simply use higher denomination chips, such as Black, Purple, and Orange instead of large stacks of Green, Red and sometimes white chips, which often-times the shooter hits and 7s out? Some shooters have a tough time avoiding a big stack of chips, which tend to get in the way of a good roll.

    I was at the casino yesterday evening and there were some very angry players at the table. They were PO'd because 2 Don't players and 1 Do player who were straight out and in the hook had a serious pile of chips so stacked that the shooter could not manage to shoot around them. Other players "suggested" that they get the larger denom chips in order Not to have such a large stack of the greens and reds blocking the shooters route to the back wall. We all understand that players have a right to make their bets as large as they like. Is it too much to ask them to put fewer chips of larger denoms in their betting area, so as not to knock down a big pile that can also slow down the game when the chips have to be sorted and re-stacked?

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  16. TheStoic, Jun 13, 2013

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    I hate people who don't understand etiquette, that should know about etiquette. These tend to be older players, who come up to table, drop their cash on the table when the puck is on, and usually the dice are out. When the dealer asks "any action?" and they just shake their head. New players I can give a free pass to (depending on my mood).

    But what I hate most are a particular type of random roller. These players don't accept d.i., which I have no issue with, I'm not going to convince them and they are not going to convince me otherwise. But then they see fit to complain and grumble when someone who sets the dice sevens out too soon.

    First, if you do not believe in d.i. then who cares if someone sets the dice. Most random rollers don't want dice set to them with craps or a seven showing, so they get the stick to flip it to a more desirable number. A d.i. just does the same thing, puts a number facing that is more desirable showing, they just do it themselves.

    Second, if they believe you can't influence the dice, then anyone who sets the dice, should in their minds be "unlucky" on that roll when they seven out. If a shooter can't control/influence the dice, then how is it the shooters fault? Besides, most likely the dice setter has a pass line bet, so it's not like they wanted to seven out. A side note, if a DP better shoots the dice (random or not) stop f`ing complaining when they do seven out if you have a Pass Line bet on them. That shooter wanted the seven. I always say, pay attention on how the shooter bets. Surprise, surprise, they usually know what there "hot" numbers tend to be, adjust to them, don't expect them to adjust to your bets.

    Third, these particular random rollers also seem to have the least patience. They want the game going at a high speed, or a least want players to throw the dice immediately as soon as they touch the dice. I say, it a d.i. can hit numbers, let them take all time they wants. I don't care if it slows the game down, the dealers are getting paid by the hour. Random rollers should at least understand if you can't influence the dice then you want to hang onto your money as long as you can. After all, the table has a built in house edge. So why get game going so fast. If you want a lot of "fast" action, go play slots, at least you'll get rated better there.

    Finally, don't make snide comments when someone sets the dice, whether it's me, or to me about another dice setter. Like I said earlier, I'm not trying to convince you, so stop trying to convince me. I know the arguments for and against, and since I'm an adult (oh god, when did I get that old?) I can make my own decisions. Can my conclusion be wrong, perhaps, but the only way I will change my conclusion is by analyzing my throws, and I have not gotten a large enough sample to think otherwise. But so far, I'm still a proponent of d.i.

    Now I can get off my soapbox, sorry if I went of onto a tangent.

    P.S. Yes, I also hate when those damn kids play in front of my house.
     
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  17. Lifeisacrapshoot, Jun 13, 2013

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    Hi "TheStoic",

    Well, tell us what you really feel. ;) I love your last line about the "kids playing in front of your house". Too funny. Btw, I also do not like when NON-dice setters b---h and moan about D.I.'s. If I'm not bad mouthin' you when you're random rollin', then do not bad mouth me, especially if it's in ear-shot of me when I'm setting the dice.

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    This is an interesting thread. I weighed in earlier saying I didn't like players who pissed off the dealers, because it "sours" the ambience of the table. Some other posters have pushed some buttons.

    Wow, it's never happened to me, but I can't imagine a total stranger next to you at a gambling table asking you to loan him money, because he lost all of his! Like, what's he going to do, pay you back next week or something?

    I personally couldn't care less what somebody else's strategy is; I don't "give out grades" on other people's playing. If they want to put their whole bankroll on a hardway, that's not my business. Same goes for people trying to set dice. It's OK with me if they take a second to turn the dice around, but when they take too long, it pisses me off, especially at a crowded, complicated table where rolls are slow in coming. Of course, as some of you know by now, I put dice-setting and dice-controlling at the same believability level as little green men from Mars...

    Another player that bugs me is the one that just won't STFU, who ASSUMES that just because I'm standing next to him, we're going to have a personal relationship and he can jabber to me nonstop about his opinion of the planet, the solar system, the galaxy, and the universal space-time continuum. Annoying as hell. Zip it, will ya?

    This sometimes brings the "racism police" out of the woodwork, but many times I'm extremely annoyed by Chinese tourists. They crowd up to a table, bump people, chatter incessantly, smell funny, ignore other players, and take forever putting idiotic bets all over the layout, then changing their minds and moving them around, eyes bugging out, trembling with hysteria. Hell, if the layout had a square where you could bet on rolling a 13, they'd pile their money on it. No wonder casinos love the Chinese. The mere sight of a approaching herd of these annoying little fleabags is enough to make me instantly color up and leave the table. If I had a casino and could get away with it, I'd have a sign by the front door saying, "No Chinese." There, I said it. Whew....
     
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