When do ya pull the plug?

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by tabletop123, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. Onautopilot, Jan 12, 2018

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    I skip the long made up ones now also. A story telling ex Texan is all.
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Jan 12, 2018

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    The "puppets" have no more creditability than the one that is pulling their strings.
     
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  3. tabletop123, Jan 12, 2018

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    I do KNOW that pitching pennies is a skill. I used to do that QUITE well.
    We used to pitch to the "line" on the side walks. Ya get your penny to land on the line, & ya had what we called a "liner". It payed double.

    If only a portion of the penny ended up in the line it was called a leaner. ( It payed even money.

    Obviously the penny that ended up closer, or in the line wins the money.

    This was back in the early 70's, & we played .50 cents per pitch with the liners paying $1.00.

    People may not believe it but there is a TREMENDOUS amount of skill in spinning a penny ( clockwise spin) to land it close to a designated Spot. The more spin that you could impart....the more control that you had.

    Now, with Dice Control it's touted that only a minimal amount of spin is necessary. Anything more than 1-2 revolutions is touted to cause more chaos, & popping up of the dice upon touch down.

    I don't necessarily agree with that theory. I think that in some cases exaggerated spin can be an asset..
     
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  4. DeMango, Jan 12, 2018

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    If u b talking to me, why would I read a non di dice book???
     
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  5. AzDice, Jan 12, 2018

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    What? Luck is a descriptive word?

    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
    Learn to set the dice. Practice your throw and preparation will align you with opportunity.
     
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  6. AzDice, Jan 12, 2018

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    Read the reply to OAP.
    It will explain the meaning of luck
     
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  7. von duck, Jan 13, 2018

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    His answer would be yes. :D
     
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  8. basicstrategy777, Jan 13, 2018

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    Luck

    To say it does not exist is a stretch....

    You cannot quantify love...but you know when someone is in love.

    You cannot quantify anxiety...but you can see the results of it on the human body.

    You cannot quantitfy creativity...but you can buy the results of it and hang it in your living room wall.


    In an all random game,many times, you must have seen luck in action. Have you not seen, time after time, one person being luckier than another person......and that other person couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of hundred dollar bills.

    To deny what you have witnessed time after time is to be intellectually disingenuous.

    I know, you know, people that just are lucky. I know you can't explain it...but you shouldn't deny it.

    It's just the way it is.

    IMHO.

    777
     
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  9. Mssthis1, Jan 13, 2018

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    Going back to the original post I believe the answer is different for everyone.

    Personally, I'll try to work through rough patches as long as the table has no more than 3 shooters with a concrete loss limit.

    If I decide to switch sides and the dice continue to do the opposite of what I'm betting I immediately pull the plug.

    If I'm not enjoying my time at the table I pull the plug. That is one that everyone should adopt.

    If I have a long roll and everyone wants to pass the dice back to me I pull the plug. For some reason that gets into my head. I have no problem putting together multiple long rolls at an empty or low populated table but I have never been able to back up a good roll when a full table passes the dice back around to me.
     
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  10. superrick, Jan 13, 2018

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    I would hope that most on this board would know that there have been many great theories over the years that were taken as facts and guess what they were proving to be wrong!

    You will never know if something is wrong if you or others don't try to prove it to be wrong!

    Someone will say they have a great way to bet the game or a way to throw the dice and if you say it can't be done you are the big loser. Hell, they just might be right if you don't try it out you will never know if they were right or wrong when it comes to playing craps! Now I don't expect you to go out and try to prove something that is way over your head as in some of the scientific theories!

    Read more at: http://www.sify.com/news/top-10-sci...ong-imagegallery-8-science-kdrusqeghcisi.html

    But if you thinik something that you see happening on the tabe will or could work out and make you money they you have to prove it out. That is why some of us will practice our betting. Or for the so-called DI's will practice their shooting!

    The one thing on this board that there are a lot of guys that they forget the game of craps is about return on investment and guess what it shouldn't be played for the fun of it if you don't understand the game. That's because it's a negative game the same as any casino game.

    You can stay at home and play on your computer if you just want to have fun. There is nothing fun about lossing your hard earned money!
     
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  11. James Hall, Jan 13, 2018

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    You cannot quantify love... but you can feel it , you can see it in a persons face and actions
    You cannot quantify anxiety... but you can feel it , you can see it in a persons face and actions
    you cannot quantify luck but you can neither see or feel it

    You cannot quantify creativity / talent / skill but you can learn and develop it

    I have seen many people who time after time are winning while others were losing
    I have seen people on tables who seem to be able to win when no one else can

    I do not deny what I have witnessed time after time , I have seen people who win on a more consistent basis that most players
    I don't question how lucky this person is , I want to know what , "HE KNOWS THAT I DON'T"

    When several people are playing on the same table and some are losing while others are winning
    there must be some difference in , "HOW THEY ARE PLAYING" ....
    They must be making different decisions , making different bets

    I prefer to think in terms of decisions . the question then would be
    Do correct decisions result in good luck ?
    Do wrong decisions result in bad luck ?
     
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  12. von duck, Jan 13, 2018

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    Does he say anything about how to bring yourself "Good luck". A guy needs all the weapons he can muster. :) I think I read somewhere, that Mussolini, held his testicles for good luck.
    I totally agree that if you're just gonna play for "fun" why go to a casino. It's about the money, and maybe, just maybe, breakin the bank some day, that's the attraction. That bullshit about " I had a wonderful experience losing $500 in two hours" is just plain TDV. I don't buy that shit, and niether does anybody else. LTWOQ, is the only way to go, losing SUX! Beat their ASS, any way you can! :) But don't tell TDV, he prefers a "good" losing craps story. :confused: Anybody had any "good" losers lately? :D
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Jan 13, 2018

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    Some things we just can't explain.

    Some people have IT.....what the heck is that all about, but you know those that have it and the many that don't. It not only comes across, but it is recognized by all.

    They can't put it in you and they can't take it out. You have it or you don't. You are touched and blessed or you are not.

    You see intangible qualities not only in entertainers but in sports. And it is not a fluke because it repeats. You just know certain quarterbacks will take their team down the fiels and win. They are classified as winners. Others don't have IT. You just know they will blow it. And they do.

    You say you can't predict the future, but if you are a betting man, you would bet on that quarterback scoring and win the game; it would not be a surprize ; you just KNOW it is going to happen.

    When at the table many can sense things, some earlier than others....but you just know what is going to happen....and most often it does. Those that have experience and onions will bet up at these times and frequently will be rewarded. Their nose told them what to do....not the math....not the odds.

    Why people deny this is baffling to me......I guess because when you use the pure scientific method you can't prove ka-ka RE: luck/intuition/etc. And how can you argue that.

    Intuition...luck....voodoo...all have a place in this purely random game. But they are sequestered in a special room, separate from the math and common sense. Many don't want to venture into a room where there are no explanations; they are uncomfortable in there because there is no net and only ridicule.

    I say, it should, someway, be a part of how you play......how you want to weave that into your basicstrategy is up to you.

    Or....you can be dead right and play strictly by the math.

    777
     
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  14. yacraps, Jan 13, 2018

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    This forum is VERY lucky to have you and a few others as members on this forum ...Grazie ;)
     
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  15. yacraps, Jan 13, 2018

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    Oh and remember to stick that big Ben doll in the neck Sunday morning for the fantastic 5 :D
     
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    And can you share were this has been proven ?
     
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  17. Twelve4s, Jan 13, 2018

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    Just heard that AB is questionable with his calf injury. Let’s hope he doesn’t start, or pulls up lame after his first route.
     
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  18. eagleeye2, Jan 15, 2018

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    Horn-HiYo,

    I see that you & others remain confused, DUH!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  19. James Hall, Jan 15, 2018

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    this bears repeating
     
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