Where do I start?

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  1. ZeusyZeus, Apr 20, 2017

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    Hey I'm sure there are some real craps guru's in here and I just played Craps for the first time this weekend and actually had some success. I was with a buddy who was coaching me the whole way but I really gained an appreciation for the game and want to learn more. My question is where should I start as a beginner to learn? I'm wanting to purchase a book on amazon but none really seem worth it... I should note I was playing the dont pass more so than the pass (on an empty table). Thank you to anyone willing to help.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Apr 20, 2017

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    ZeusyZeus,

    Your Ticket to Winning @ Craps, Resides in What Influences a Player May Have (Or NOT Have if Playing the DON'T) Over DICE, as listed below.

    More discussion beyond the Nay-Swayers negativism is required.

    1) Picking a Casino to Play at

    2) Picking a Table @ a Casino to Play at

    3) Selecting the two Dice to Shoot @ a Table

    4) Setting the DICE Prior to Shooting them

    4.5) Static Electric Charge Imparted to Dice Prior to Shooting them ~ Covered

    5) Technique of Shooting the DICE

    6) Mind Over Matter Control Over the Dice

    7) Selecting a Player to BET on @ the Casino, other than oneself

    8) A Betting Strategy to use when Shooting or betting on other Shooters

    9) Other things ~

    10) SCH's Putting STANK on the dice. (playing the dont's, Farting into your hand before you toss the dice)

    11) Friction between ones Fingers & the Dice ~ Some Discussion

    12) Sharpness of Dice Edges Vs worn edges or nicked edges ~ Some Discussion

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. HornHighBLEVE, Apr 20, 2017

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    Welcome ZZ. When I first got here I was cautioned that the worst thing that could happen to me was to win my first time out...and I did. So I'm passing that warning on to you.

    Craps is a fascinating game, we see people winning all around us, so short time winnings can me had. The thing is knowing when to quit. Good luck.
     
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  4. twodicebilly, Apr 20, 2017

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    zuezyzeus

    The thing I like about craps is that you never know
    what will or can happen...
    Also there are many different ways to play the game, ways
    to bet and you have control over the amount of money you
    will lose at the table....
    As far as the book thing is concerned, it will help you with the odds
    of the game, the better bets to make etc....but it wont help you
    win.....it may help you lose less.

    If you start down the road of books, videos and then craps
    classes......they cost money, sometimes a lot of money
    and it is a complete waste of time and money unless your
    committed to hundreds of hours of practice, and even then
    your results will vary from anyone that is helping you.

    I will be 100% honest here, I don't believe at all the game is
    random, but it took me 8 years to figure it out and more
    money that I want to admit. If I had it to do over, I would have done
    it differently, I would like to have figured out in two years
    instead of eight.

    My advice for most people is just go have fun, pay for your
    fun within the limits of your bankroll, bet on the numbers you
    are seeing hit most often at the time your at the table.

    twodicebilly
     
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  5. Freddyy, Apr 20, 2017

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    It all depends on what is your investment to play, some coaches give new comers tips, some to mid stakes players and others to big rollers.

    Throwing dice is a skill that is hard to learn and sometimes costy, but when you get paid on it, it seems like the way to go.

    While I can handle myself alone on a table now, even the best dice controller will grow tired and start having a bad sequence from time to time. (Betting dark is an option but not always the answer)

    Look for FullPress on youtube. I'm not 100% on his strategy, but he has some good tips.

    Don't invest in a seminar until you want to give a second push to a growing skill, if skill you have.

    Practice the motion on your bed throwing from 8-10 feet to land 3-5" from your pillows, results don't matter, just look to line up your throw to a landing spot you choose.

    If on a 5$ table,pass/ come with single odds
    Is the best play. Every roll of the dice.

    If you get house money to play around.

    Go 64 across. Collect 4 times and press 2 units every number that hits.

    My fav. Go 18$ on 6-8, first win take 5-9 for 9$, second win put 3$ up to go 30$ on 6-8, collect 3 times and press 3 units every next hit. Be creative when you pass the 60$ bar
     
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  6. Settingcanthurt, Apr 20, 2017

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    There are a few craps tutorial on the internet for free. Also some craps simulators where you can play the game for fun, and experience. Ask questions here, and you will usually get some good advice, or explanations.

    But for the most part, just learn the basic mathematics of the game, correct payouts, odds, and the terminology used at the table....the best way to do that is to go play on a lower minimum table, and just bet the low house advantage bets....pass or don't, and watch, and listen.

    Although I have not read it, one of our members here wrote a book mainly for beginner's, and from the comments of other members, it would probably be worth investing in! His handle is basicstrategy777. You might PM (private message) him.

    Welcome, and good luck!
     
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  8. TDVegas, Apr 20, 2017

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    There are some very good free apps (Craps Shooter?) that are great for testing strategies and methods. You set bankroll...and let the games begin!
     
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  9. Grizzoola, Apr 20, 2017

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    For me as a rank beginner, I bought the book, "No-Nonsense Craps" by Richard Orlyn. He tells you everything to know before walking up to your first table. He tells you the various bets & their odds, warns against the prop bets, he has a couple of brief chapters on a system he doesn't guarantee you will win, but should help you stay at the table longer, and some good advice about money management.

    777s book would be a good followup for some interesting details & advice about the game.
    Here's the Amazon entry for the book with reviews:
    https://www.amazon.com/No-Nonsense-...=1492709088&sr=8-1&keywords=no nonsense craps
     
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  10. Freddyy, Apr 20, 2017

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    Had a 10$ table session today. Very ugly two hours of 2 box number / seven out, I was throwing 4-5 numbers for 4 hands.

    I was moved from my seat 4 times. Ended up shooting from the end of a 16' table.

    I was warmed up and I lighted up a 35 roll hand with 12 5's and 10 8's, a shitload of box numbers,3 points 4th lighted up, deliberately setted to make the 3rd and it worked. So yeah, it's not all luck I guess.

    Was down to 40$ and I colored up 431$ after my conservative betting hand.

    Everyone made their money back in 1 hand with my roll and went to profits side instead.
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, Apr 20, 2017

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    It's a great feeling to come back from the dead.

    777
     
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  12. Freddyy, Apr 20, 2017

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    My betting sequence for a 10$ table was.

    On a random thrower, 18$ six, or sometimes 8. First win, down to 12$ 6&8 (3$ cost).

    On a guy throwing setted dices, controlled throw: 12$ 6&8 from start.

    Transition first win for 6$ to 5&9 10$ each.

    Collect two hits. Drop 8$ to press inside.

    Collect two hits, press 2 units on what hits.
     
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  13. lone irish digit, Apr 20, 2017

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    I guess BS777 quoting the new testament this Easter holiday. You never really know what's coming next. Just hope your money doesn't run out before getting ahead. Good win. I'll be heading out next week but not to any Resort casino.

    As a newby, I would watch Full Press for his enthusiasm but with the caution that he is a bit of an innumerate. OAP and BS777 have good betting advice and Tabletop and Two Dice Billy have some practical thoughts on Dice Influence. Freddy, how can you see what you toss from the table end of a 16foot table? You must have eagleyes.
     
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  14. tabletop123, Apr 20, 2017

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    Want my advice concerning Dice Influencing? Find something more profitable to do! As a Di you are always teetering on the brink of Randomness!

    You are looking at roughly the same advantage (if You are REALLY skilled) as a Card Counter! You are looking at thousands of hours of practice. You are practicing a Craft wherein a perfect toss is sometimes NOT rewarded!

    Changing table conditions, dice, closed cell foam, cork, rubber, Super ball back wall pyramids, & two "School taught" tosses that bring IMMEDIATE heat for those that are adept at it!

    All things considered, if you become really skilled ( possessing that much needed shooting quirk), you'd be hard-pressed to earn more than $15 per hour!
    You'd fare much better getting a part-time job! Let's say that you become really good at tossing dice! How can you mask your skill? How long can you go unnoticed? Contrary to popular belief, you CANNOT leisurely toss the dice, & maintain good toss mechanics! Sure, the Schools will tell you it's possible, because they are selling classes.
    Common sense should tell you that you ain't gonna stroll up to a table, & Casually toss the dice & influence them! Just like a good pool player, stroking a Pool shot.........you gotta "Bear Down" on the toss/s in order to get the toss/s just right!

    All of this "Just a walk in the park" tossing bullshit, AINT HAPPENING!

    Casinos DO NOT welcome individuals that can beat their games with skill!

    All of these guru's & heroes will cry things like "Bullshit", you can make a lot of money, & if you can't influence the dice, you aren't doing it right, etc!

    The list of excuses is endless! With this 2% advantage that you MIGHT have as a talented tosser, you can still lose! Just like the skilled Black Jack card Counter! No guarantees!

    Yeah, you'll hear that "I have a 10-15% advantage as a Dice Influencer! DONT BELIEVE IT! The information that I am passing along comes from a person that ONCE had extremely good hand/eye coordination!

    A top three Card Monte Mechanic ( at the age of eleven)! A 50 ball straight Pool Runner ( At age 12), & they had to fly in A "Dead Ringer" ( Tony Robles, google his name) to SHUT ME DOWN!

    So, you wanted my PRACTICAL advice on the craft of Dice Influencing? Need I say more?

    See you at The Top!
     
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  15. yacraps, Apr 20, 2017

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    Zeus welcome to the forum,as many members have stated Bs777 book is a good simple read about the game of craps (I have read it) and this forum has many members that will give you the straight about the game hang around and don't be afraid to ask opinions ;)
     
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  16. Settingcanthurt, Apr 20, 2017

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    Welcome back Top. You seem to have a little different tune you be hummin here.
     
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  17. Freddyy, Apr 21, 2017

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    LoL contact lens 20/20 :)
     
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  18. Freddyy, Apr 21, 2017

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    Cute rough non-believer post.

    They actually welcome us with a smile and we take their money!

    Seriously, I can set to snipe out numbers or hardways. And I've seen others did it too.

    I had 4-6 hands in the 30's, 3 hands with 3 points and two with 4 points last night.

    Maybe 3 short hands, like 15 times past the 10 mark. And I did almost the same in my last 6 sessions.

    I am getting looked up, but they don't believe it's possible! Just like you!

    Last night, I changed my set 3-4 times in a single hand to snipe points and make firebet. It's not always instant. But when you know your signature numbers it only takes 1-3 roll to snipe it.
     
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  19. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 21, 2017

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    DI for a neophyte? Seriously, Freddyy?! Sounds like telling a first-time parachutist to read the instruction manual on the way down. Just learning the rules of the game itself gives a raw recruit enough to think about without also trying to concentrate on toss mechanics.
    As others have mentioned I also heartily recommend getting a simulator. My choice is WinCraps from Cloud City Software. It is shareware (meaning you can use the basic functions for free, and pay a registration fee to activate the advanced features later if you wish), and the help file is an excellent primer on the bets available, how they work, and their house advantage.

    As for coming up with a betting strategy I feel just about all rookies put the cart before the horse. The absolute very first thing you need to do is decide just what factor(s) you consider important for having a positive experience. Sure, everybody wants to win, but how much, how fast, and at what risk should determine what type of bets you make and what you do after they are resolved. You might want to take a look at an article I wrote for Casino City Times, which BTW is also a good source for general gambling information.
     
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  20. tabletop123, Apr 21, 2017

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    You have the keys to the vault! I'll probably sign up for a class with Heavy, or Howard RocknRoller, because apparently I've been doing things wrong for the last eight years! (Sarcasm intended)

    Sniping numbers? You should be playing craps for a living! The more that I read these bullshit post, the more I understand why TDVegas gets his panties all in a wad!

    That's right folks....... A guy that survived on his raw hand/eye coordination as a youth just can't seem to influence dice rolls!

    IMAGINE THAT! Lol
     
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