I would suffice to say that prior to 2005 Di'ng was very possible for even a average shooter? Why, you say? Simply, because conditions were better! The equipment being used these days makes it VERY DIFFICULT to influence the dice! I think the "Breaking Vegas" Dominator Bullshit forced the Casinos to "Tighten Up" That "Breaking Vegas" episode further proves my point that guys that have perfected a Craft just can't keep their friggin mouth closed! Why in the shit would I go on National TV, & rub the Casinos the wrong way by saying: " I can beat craps, & this is how I do it"? What's really suprising is that Frank, Dominator, & Most of the GTC instructors were raised in an era BEFORE Old Top, wherein Hustler's NEVER, EVER, revealed their secrets! I wish you guys had been at Bensinger's pool Hall back in the 70's when "60 minutes( TV crew) was interviewing pool Hustler's all around the country! I kid you not........ When they walked in the door, A pool hall with a murderer's line up of roughly 25 of "Chicago's finest", emptied out in less than 30 seconds! Who the fuck wants their picture taken, or to have their face plastered all over National TV? The "Soup of the day" was : "P-L-E-A-S-E don't take my picture! Sorry to go off on a Pool tangent AGAIN, but NO........in my opinion, Frank, & Crew opened up "Pandora's Box" when they aired that special! Closed Cell Foam, Rubber, Cork & Super ball Back wall pyramids are a very formidable foe! I recall watching a table being re-felted at one of my local joints & the stuff under the layout looked like some kind of extremely hard rubber! These Casinos ain't stupid! They know about guys like Old Top ( just kidding)! Lol They gotta KEEP protecting their bottom line! Just wait guys.....Even money payouts on the 6&8 are just around the corner! Damn, greedy, stingy-ass corporate pencil pushers!