Where do I start?

Discussion in 'Beginner Zone' started by ZeusyZeus, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. TDVegas, Apr 22, 2017

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    Thanks, badddoin.

    I have little issue with how tdb wants to present himself here. He can talk about anything he wants. I'm simply noting that he that he is the MOST vocal about how we post, what we post and in what manner we post....and he's the first one to ignore his own "rules".

    Rather funny...the guy who slings jerk at me and OAP on an every other day basis is asking for "board manners and protocol"
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Apr 22, 2017

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    You & Barney must be smoking that Wacky Tobacco agin!

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  3. tabletop123, Apr 22, 2017

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    Here is the problem, Two dice.......You are NOT gonna get intelligent discussions about Dice Influencing on this forum. WHY can't you simply grasp THAT?
    You have EVERY right to discuss Dice Influencing, or any other topic.

    I mean, really, it is a Open forum! However, don't expect much "Positive" participation, because MOST on THIS forum really don't understand Di'ng, most haven't tried, or have absolutely no interest in trying!

    You CANNOT force participation! I have no problem discussing it, because no member's comments can offend me!

    Some members believe that you should approach the game with the attitude to win, but expect to lose, because you are playing a negative expectation game!

    Now, I do NOT agree with that philosophy, but then again........Who the fuck am i to criticize another's belief?

    Admittedly so, Craps is VERY hard to beat, but I WILL SAY THIS: I find myself ahead in a given session MOST of the time! Might be $2-300 ahead, might be $20-30 ahead! Might be $2- $3 ahead!

    Those are the times to head to the cage, but hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20, & we all want "just one more hit" that usually leads to our demise! It's called GREED, & in conjunction with EVERY bet on the table ( with the exception of the free odds bet), being designed to short-change, you, & take your money, it's the Casino's greatest weapon!
     
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  4. tabletop123, Apr 22, 2017

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    I think what really affects "Travelers" ( those that are forced to commute 2-3 hours or more) is the compelling desire to "Cover the Nut"!

    Who the fuck wants to commute 4-6 hours for a lousy $50-$100? See what I mean? Guys like TDVegas, & whoever else that lives close to a Casino/s can play anytime they so desire, & usually be at a Craps table, locked, & loaded within a matter of minutes!

    One thing that I know for a FACT.......It I lived in a Casino town, or within 30 minutes to the nearest Casino, they would have a VERY hard time beating me!

    Not because of mojo, hocus pocus, betting schemes, or Dice Influencing! Simply because I am naturally "Hard Wired" to "Walk" when I am ahead!

    Do you REALLY think I would give a shit about a lousy $40 win if I only had to drive 20-30 minutes!

    Now, ,i am NOT saying that.living close to a Casino makes you acwinner, but it's certainly a convenience NOT do all of that painstakingly long driving!
     
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  5. Onautopilot, Apr 22, 2017

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    Billy, your reading skills need some work! You either have a problem understanding simple concepts, or you intentionally twist what everyone says to suit your reality.
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Apr 22, 2017

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    Tabletop

    You said this.........I mean, really, it is a Open forum! However, don't expect much "Positive" participation, because MOST on THIS forum really don't understand Di'ng, most haven't tried, or have absolutely no interest in trying!

    I will say this one more time...then I will assume for what I reason I have found myself in some
    area of life more identified with the twilight zone than anything I have come upon in 70 years
    of reality. I have a Lund boat in my yard.... it is on a public street, as such I can expect everyone
    that lives here will see it. Yet I have not had anyone walk over and say....why in the hell did you
    get a Lund, didn't you know that a Ranger is better, or why did you get a black one...or a shorter one
    or why do you want to kill the poor fish...etc....It is amazing...no one on my street has said a thing
    yet it is wide upon street.

    Now getting back to this forum..... it is public, no one should be able to censor your opinions, etc.. that has never been
    the question.... but Tabletop, and I say directly to you...... you make it easier for people like TDV and Autoguy to
    censor me or others like me as soon as we talk about dice control...
    If I got on here and talked about my boat.... and I say I caught 12 fish today.... Autoguy would say nice job, hope you fun
    with your grand kids........ I say I had two 30 rolls last night and my SRR for the last 3 weeks is 7.9 or 7.8 or
    8.1......oh my god....I gotta be nuts, I gotta be a liar, I could never do that over 40,000 rolls..... and on and on.

    Yet tabletop.... did one of the jerks ask me if I really had a boat.... or caught 12 fish or even had grand kids....
    did you ever see TDV ask about my grandkids or my boats.... how about twelve or betweenthelines....nope
    not a bit.....why because it did not interest them..... if I wanted to talk about sets, or the effect of changing
    them...can I do that...here no, anyone that would understand is long gone., and Autoguy or TDV would not
    have a clue...

    Make no mistake.... this is a censored forum and you are going right along with it.

    twodicebilly
     
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  7. TDVegas, Apr 22, 2017

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    Uh, you do understand the difference between someone saying they caught a fish and someone claiming they can influence dice outcomes??

    You can't be that obtuse about the thinking of us "deny'ers". (Maybe holding a minuscule idea of DI belief)...as if there are just 3 of us in this world.

    -The inventors of craps know it is random....
    -1,347 worldwide casinos know it is random...
    -108,295 casino employees know it is random...
    -The casinos loan officers (763 international banks) know it is random...They base their casino loans on this fact.
    -All Gaming control boards know it is random...
    -The game has thrived for 150+ years based on random...
    -The table hold continues for 150+ years based on random...

    but "stop the presses!"---one person believes it is not random (along with a few of his short busser pals)....and all of us others are wrong:rolleyes:

    We have gotten the real answer.

    The game is not random...at all.

    Find one casino executive and get him on record acknowledging he fears certain dice influencers. I say you can't. They welcome ALL players...and you can set.

    On the veracity of your claims about DI....You have been offered MANY versions of the bohunk SRR challenge to demonstrate said skill on some level...any level. You have continued to say....no thanks.

    And then you wonder why people question the talent.

    No one is censoring anything from you. Discuss your sets, your mechanics to your hearts content. Non DI'ers will likely not offer much rebuttal. Start making claims of outrageously high, legitimate SRR or other questionable dice feats....you'll probably get some rebuttal. Sorry.
     
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  8. Onautopilot, Apr 22, 2017

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    That is total BS Billy! I have never questioned your casino trip reports, never! I have never, ever, called you a liar! I have never ridiculed the concept of DI.

    The only thing I questioned you on was how you computed your SRR, and even then, I added that if that was they way you wanted to compute it, no problem....but it wasn't a true SRR if you were doing it that way.

    I respect a DI's efforts and dedication to trying to attain some advantage.....I tried it myself!

    The only thing I take exception to is some of the claims they proffer, nothing else!

    And make no mistake....this is not a censored forum by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe in your mind, but that is a flawed assessment on your part.

    You keep mentioning my name, and accusing me of calling you and other people a liar, that is a flat out falsehood Billy....and you can not find one post of mine that backs that up!

    You say you can't talk about sets and other nuances about DI on here, again BS, You can't find anywhere that I have ever even commented on conversations about sets, and techniques...none! The only time I ever comment on a DI's post is when they make claims that are highly suspect.

    You say no one comments negatively about your Lund boat sitting in your yard, of course not, you are not making any extraordinary claims about it....try putting a sign on it that says, "This Lund boat can do 90 miles an hour on the open water!".
     
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  9. TDVegas, Apr 22, 2017

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    is he seriously trying to equate or tie the existence of DI to catching fish claims?...in terms of overall believability?

    Wow.
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Apr 22, 2017

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    Yea, fishing stories use to be just fishing stories, but now with the phone cameras, it's a fish story with a "proof". :)

    Billy kinda grasps for straws to try and make his point....like saying no one comments negatively on his boat, so he can't understand why anyone on a craps forum might make a negative comment about DI claims. He kinda lost me on that one though.
     
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  11. lone irish digit, Apr 22, 2017

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    Personally, I believe most fish stories and DI claims. Why would anyone fabricate these things?



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  12. betwthelines, Apr 22, 2017

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    tdb,
    why do you persist with this "censored" nonsense? how do you possibly get that into your head? where does that possibly come from?

    which of your 788 posts have been removed from this forum? have been censored? no one has that power unless you concede it to them...those who have left have done so of their own accord and not because they were censored or erroneously felt that they were censored...

    if you are letting 'pilot or tdv or myself or anyone here censor you---which you are not, by the way---you are a fool...

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    no one here has ever called you a "liar"...this characterization is also in your head only...SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE ANYONE HAS CALLED YOU A LIAR (other than possibly facetiously or satirically or sarcastically [which i admit can be difficult to pull off and easily missed or misunderstood in textual inter-communications]) and i will point out to you how the post was not the same as calling you a liar.

    "i don't believe you", is far from calling you a liar...one might say, "i can jump over that 8 foot fence" and expressing disbelief is not calling one a liar however a very natural, very human---very rational---follow-up just might be, "ok. show me".

    similarly severe, insurmountable DISAGREEMENT regarding the meaning of a list of rolls has been a common reaction to some of your posts of that nature and "show me" is a very, very rational & human follow-up... no one has ever said, "you didn't make those rolls" or "you don't have a list of 40,000 rolls"...no one...now THAT, yes, would be tantamount to calling you a liar but no one has ever said any such thing.

    disagreement is not the same as calling the other party a liar.

    not remembering something correctly is not the same as lying.

    being in error is not the same as lying...to err is human...saying to someone that they are wrong is not the same as accusing them of being a liar!

    get a grip.

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    i cannot speak for tdv nor twelve but you are wrong...i have on at least two and maybe more occasions commented on your grandkids--and your fishing---and with direct or at least indirect praise of the solid family life you seem to lead

    so in this you are just wrong...and i am not calling you a liar...lol

    tom p
     
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  13. Edward-ky, Apr 22, 2017

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    I think it is funny that people are so concerned about what strangers believe. I don't understand the need to tell strangers about some skill or how much they won. And if strangers call you a liar does that in any way affect you. You wanna post major claims to stroke your ego I say go for it just don't cry like a little bitch if everyone decides not to praise you. Seems like some on here just get here to talk to be praised or something. I play cause I love to play this game and enjoy winning when the dice gods are being generous.
     
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  14. TDVegas, Apr 22, 2017

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    On the SRR front...I must give credit to tomp. A year ago, if someone claimed a long term SRR of 8+, I would have shrugged my shoulders. "Ok".

    It wasn't until the bohunk and his analysis did I get a firm understanding of how utterly difficult just a long term 7.0 SRR is....forget 8.

    An 8+....as tomp said---"Wild West shit." (Or some version).

    It was then that I started to question the ability of others to hold this number long term and after doing some of my own cursory "tests"....I'm fully on board with tomp. No way, no how.

    Show me, don't tell me....as it relates to these claims on SRR.

    I've learned a lot from guys like betweenthelines, OAP, Midnight and some others...especially on the probability and math front as well as overall craps.

    Anyone suggesting this forum holds nothing for them...isn't looking or has closed his eyes.
     
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  15. Twelve4s, Apr 22, 2017

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    That's not a fish. That's a monster.
     
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  16. tabletop123, Apr 22, 2017

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    That's right, blame it on Old Top!.Tell you what, Billy......I am too old for this Mickey Mouse, finger pointing bullshit! Now, all of a sudden, I AM THE CULPRIT? Do me a HUGE favor & PLEASE put me on ignore!

    i'm certainly NOT gonna entertain your bullshit & false accusations that I am aiding & abetting TDVegas's or ANYONE'S comments!

    This is the VERY reason why I do NOT fuck with guys like YOU, or any other So'called Di's!

    You guys keep up too much bullshit when someone disagrees with you or has anything respectable to say about another forum member that you are feuding with!
    I told you from a previous post that I respect your dedication to the craft! What the fuck more can I say?

    Just for the record, I wouldn't give a shit if its You, TDVegas, OAP, or WHOEVER!

    I speak what I FEEL is the truth! I will NOT side with ANYONE......Just because!

    That's the problem with Di's, & Di forums! You guys want collective thinking! Like Bees in a Bee hive!

    I have defended Dice Influencing to the Extent that I FEEL IS NECESSARY! If I throw up a "Like" behind a Poster that someone else dislikes, or has a difference of opinions with.........TOUGH TITTY!

    I STAND ALONE, & frankly, I have absolutely no desire to meet any so-called Di's, because MOST are like a bunch ofOld sniveling bitches!

    Yep, said I wasn't gonna start the profanity stuff again, but GUESS WHAT? Some people deserve EXACTLY what they get!

    Forum members, if you have a problem with my post, put me on ignore, but please stop all of this Cry-baby, Pitty-Pat bullshit about "Taking sides" with people!

    ONCE AGAIN........I STAND ALONE!
    If I disagree with 1,000 of your post, but you post ANYTHING that I agree with ,i'm gonna post a "Like"! Now, put that in your pipe, & smoke it!

    All of this bullshit about "don't agree with & so because I don't like him", or he/she is not a like-minded person....... is such PURE NONSENSE!
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  17. Onautopilot, Apr 22, 2017

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    Dang TT, when I first started reading your post, I thought you were going to tell him how you really feel. :)
     
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  18. Twelve4s, Apr 22, 2017

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    Is there some way to give five stars to a post? This one deserves it.

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    Ok, they're not stars. Best I could do.
     
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  19. betwthelines, Apr 22, 2017

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    hoz about acksterists?

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    no?

    never mind

    tom p
     
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  20. tabletop123, Apr 22, 2017

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    Listen, what I don't understand is all of the sensitivity! Man.......It's only a Craps Forum! You guys take things waaaayyyyy too far!

    I don't like Bob, because he's not a Like minded thinker, so you'd better not like him too! Don't put a Like behind this poster, because he said my breath stinks!

    Come on guys......Are we kidnegarteners at Recess playing on the Monkey Bars?

    I've never seen such a group of grown men acting like children!

    I think the bible says: "Once a man, twice a child", but this is TRULY ridiculous!
     
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