I have heard it said that it is easy to convert a Don't player to the Do, but nearly impossible to turn a Do player into a Don'ter. While it is true that a player should play however he wants to, it is also good to have a lot of methods of play available, at least for a rainy day. I have never been much for playing the Don't, primarily because I play craps with a primary goal of a win, no make that a big win, no make that a huge win. Unless you are betting huge playing the Don't you aren't going to win big. Why? Because the best you are going to get paid for your winner is even money. If you want to lay the odds in order to maximize amount won on the seven out, you are going to risk quite a bit more than you are going to win, especially if you are laying maximum odds. Those come back will kill you there if too many of them happen. When seeking advice on the Don't, the best person to get it from is someone who has played that way and has had success doing so. The Dice Doctor Sam Grafstein springs to mind. For those of you who have not read his book, I will list two of his favorite methods on the Don't, one he calls True Count, the other Fast Action. First, there are few things Sam insists upon with any Don't method of play: He says you must incorporate stop/loss methods into the scheme. The first of these is most important - Never chase losses. What this means is that if you have out a DP and the shooter hits a natural, you are done until the next shooter. If you are trying to get multiple bets out behind different numbers,a come out Yo loser has you stop placing any more bets = stop loss. Sam does not have you pick up your established Don't bets when the shooter knocks you off of one number, since these numbers already behind a box number are favored to win. For True Count, you must keep track of your betting stake, and it involves laying odds. Sam doesn't care for anything EXCEPT single odds for the DO player, but he favors any and all odds on the Don't, even maximum odds, if you can afford to do so. The why? is simple - once behind a number, you are the 2:1, 3:2 or 6:5 favorite to win the bet. To figure out your betting stake, you multiple your basic line bet x 6, to allow for getting behind all six numbers, if it happens. To (bet x 6) you add the amount needed to lay proper odds on each of the six box numbers. For the example I will show below, let's assume we we lay double odds. For this play, our stake is ($10 x 6) + $(40 + 30 + 24 + 24 + 30 + 40) = $248 Since our base bet is $10 and since we are laying double odds, double odds means we need to risk (lay) whatever amount of money is needed on that number to win us double our flat bet on each number - that is, whatever is needed to win $20 in odds on that number. So we lay $40 to win $20 on the 4 and 10, lay $30 to win $20 on the 5 and 9, and lay $24 to win $20 on the 6 and 8. How to play True Count? Go out on the DP or DC for $10. Parlay any and every come out craps winner, even if your $10 has turned into $80 - no limit to the size of the skyscraper. If this bet now goes behind a number, lay double odds. Even if you don't have enough money left to lay odds, lay as much as remains in your betting stake, since you are already behind a number and are favored to win. In this example, let's say a 5 came out. With $80 on the line, we are looking for a $160 winner on our odds bet, so we would need to lay $240 behind the $80. Since our stake was only $248, and since we used $10 of this on the line bet, we have only $238 left, so we lay the entire $238 to win $238 x (2/3) = $158.67, but if we win, they'll only give us $158. Assuming the more likely, that we do not get multiple craps come out winners, you continue to make DC bets and laying double odds until there is a repeat of a number we are already behind, or until a loser Yo rolls. Both of these situations are part of the built in stop/loss. If the shooter rolls a seven, the current line bet loses but all established bets win, and it's on to the next shooter. Although very unlikely, it is possible and we do have enough betting stake to get behind all six numbers as the favorite. That would be a great time for the seven to show, no? Will do Fast action later if there is any interest.