Who are the controlled shooters on this board?

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  1. Dave G Ct, Jul 20, 2019

    Dave G Ct

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    When I say controlled I really mean On Axis shooters.I would venture G, LID. Myself, DeMango, Top?. Freddy I donot know his shot, TDB & Superick Off Axis .

    I donot list Off Axis as a controlled shot because in all honesty it is a low skill shot. Works but pretty much anybody can learn it.

    Why so few On Axis shooters? Probably players like TDB learned the GTC toss when neutral tables were the norm.Now with microfiber it may not work.Main reason the UH has gained converts.

    Anybody want to weigh in ?
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Jul 20, 2019

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    PS not sure of James toss
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Jul 20, 2019

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    I am not sure there are any controlled shooters anymore. the tables have changed so much that hitting the wall and stopping right there a couple of inches away with no bounce
    is hard.

    The good news is your shot is not the answer, controlled throw is not the
    answer only part of the answer.

    tdb
     
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  4. random_roller, Jul 20, 2019

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    Use your imagination...much like James does. :D

    Sorry, way too easy but couldn't pass on a layup. Hope all is well, JH. Haven't heard from you for a while.
     
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  5. tabletop123, Jul 20, 2019

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    Dave, simply learn to adjust dice sets like Billy does, & you are " Home free".
    I tossed this hand in the garage.....5/5, 32, 4/1, 4/2, 5/2.
    Then. I made a " Billy" Dice Set change", & I tossed this....4/6/3/3, 2/1, 3/5, 6/6, 3/5, 3/2, 4/2, 3/1, 5/6, 4/4, 2/2, 2/1, 1/3, 6/2, 2/6, 2/2, 5/4, 6/6, 3/3, 3/1, 6/3, 6/3, 2/1, 6/1.

    Master Dice Set changes, & you too can become a consistent winner,& hit 25 ATS bets. However, if I WAS YOU, I wouldn't post any trip reports, because there's a bunch of losers on this forum that are prone to jealousy, simply because they can't do it.

    Especially that Table-topper guy. Stay away from him, because he is mad at the worId, because he can't win.
     
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  6. Dave G Ct, Jul 20, 2019

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    Question that myself and TD have. We saw a trip report from TDB where his first 2 hands were short.Changes his set and has some decent hands. So why not keep this new dice set as your go to set? If it works once why shouldn't it work again?
    Or is it back to " I got a new go to set"
    These flavor of the month dice sets are getting silly.Can we say a Random Shooter?

    The DOM has stated " It's not the set"
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Jul 20, 2019

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    The only thing that may need a minor adjustment is your toss as to speed, landing zone, trajectory, release point and others.
    ...Think G will agree with me.
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Jul 20, 2019

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    Dave

    that is an excellent point...except if it was that easy, if everything
    stayed the same all you had to do was take a GTC class or a
    Class from heavy, find a set that works at home and go to a casino
    and bet as much as you can , every time you get there..

    Now ask yourself Dave.....does that work,????????

    the answer is no, there more than likely are not a handful of guys
    in the country that have a shot strong enough to beat a table, and it sure
    is not me.

    But think about it this way....if the shot that worked today you want be to use tomorrow
    and I change a little, I dont shoot exactly the same and you have different dice. do
    you expect that set to produce the same results....????????

    so if not I adjust the set a little, if it works great, if not I am no worse off.
    and I find it works a lot.

    I did the same thing last night, I had a short hand of 4, then 2 then 2 again
    I made two adjustments came back with a 17 and a 11.

    I dont mind the short rolls, I just hope I see the same seven, if I have three short
    rolls and 1 ends in 6-1, the second in 3/4 and the third in 5-2, nothing I can
    do, my shot is all over the board....go play poker

    Dave I understand to most people what I am doing is not going to make any sense.
    but it does to a couple of very good craps players...

    TDB
     
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    Do you make betting adjustments too or just toss? I've found from past experience that if you're betting very aggressively it takes a hand in the 20's or one box number that repeats several times to dig out from several short hands in a row if you have a bunch of place bets.

    FWIW: On your two hands of 2 you would have broke even if you was feeling out the table and only had a pass line bet with no odds and a come bet. I'm assuming the first number was a box number and set a point.
     
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  10. Dave G Ct, Jul 20, 2019

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    If you are shooting differently I don't think changing the set helps. Different dice- insignificant . Table- better to adjust toss.
    The high trajectory toss on micro not reliable. You can change your set to a hardest or All Sevens but these countless changes are meaningless,Most set changes may at times give you certain numbers but you 7 out the same way- your hand length will not increase".Fooks gold"
     
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    Fools gold
     
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  12. tabletop123, Jul 20, 2019

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    Yep....I got caught up in that Clusterfuck for a while myself. You must understand that Billy, & crew are of the " bet what the dice are giving you" crew, & then they call it influence.

    Now, admittedly so....I used to change dice sets when things weren't working as expected, & WOULD sometimes get longer rolls. Eventually I came to the conclusion that it was simply Random tossing & confirmation bias.

    Ya see......our bodies DO change on a day to day basis & it does affect the mechanics of your toss. However, I have found out ( that for MYSELF) that trying to match a Dice set with your toss mechanics for a particular hand/day\ session is simply " chasing the ghost".

    However, if it seems to work for ya....of course you're gonna say..." I kept records, studied my numbers, dice sets, etc. Have tons of data to support what I am doing works.

    Ya see......this is how the mind works. It yearns to be in control of things, & what better way to THINK that you have found a SOLUTION, than to have a bunch of wins, & then say....." Yep, those dice set changes are what catapulted me to success. It's just human nature.

    It's also human nature that when you BELIEVE something SO MUCH......your defense in what you believe is to AUTOMATICALLY say that others just DON'T/CAN'T understand what you are doing.

    Then when you have more losses than expected, the mind automatically searches for the " I did something wrong that I shouldn't have done, & that's why I failed " to re-confirm the belief in what they are doing. It is what it is.

    I will say THIS: Even though dice twist, tumble, turn, & yaw....my INTENTION is to have my pre-set numbers appear after the dice have come to a complete stop. Some call it " On Axis". I call it "resulting in the tossing plane"......meaning that TRUE On Axis only occurs roughly 2-3 % of the time.
    However, by what is conventionally accepted as " On Axis" ( by the schools & Gurus)......YES, I want to be " On Axis"!

    It just DOESN'T make sense ( TO ME) to bullshit myself & holler " Influence" simply because I tossed a bunch of numbers, & didn't seven-out for a long time. Random Rollers do it EVERDAY!!

    My goal is to hit the primary, or Secondary numbers that I set the dice for. Of course the guys that THINK they are tossing Off Axis don't agree with the degree of influence that I speak of, but guess what? They are THINKING they are INFLUENCING off Axis tossing, when in reality....it occurs NATURALLY. Just ask Kokomo.

    So....yes, the type of results that I expect are difficult, but at least the kind of results that I expect don't lead you down that " bet what the dice give you" road, ......thinking that you influenced the toss.

    Ya gotta set the bar high when you are speaking " Influence". Otherwise, you are just ANOTHER random roller bullshitting yourself, & giving those " I bet what the dice gives me" excuses.

    Some of these guys don't even know HOW the fu**k they are betting. They say " I bet what the dice gives me", which is REALLY converted " Come" betting.

    Toss a 5, bet the 5. Toss a 9, bet the 9. Simply converted " Come" betting. Trying to follow a trend. Nothing more...nothing less.

    Dave....stick with what you are doing. CONTINUE to shoot for those primary, & Secondary hits. At least you are tossing with a purpose more than just..." let the numbers fall as they may" as long at its not a Seven-out.

    Continued Success at the tables.
     
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  13. Dave G Ct, Jul 20, 2019

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    • Great Post Top!
    Saying it all. Another word for a constant set changer is " Random Shooter" with luck involved or " positive varience"
     
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  14. tabletop123, Jul 20, 2019

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    Two friggin hands? That is too short of a sample. How do ya know that In the THIRD hand ( without making any dice set adjustments) that he wouldn't have tossed a 11, & 17 roll hand? Two short rolls with the same dice set means nothing, with the exception of...." Tread lightly" until things turn around, or end the session.

    Here's the funny thing.....you could say" Fu**k it, I'm gonna have some dinner, & return later. You return after dinner....use the SAME funky 2 roll, & out dice set, & toss a 57 roll hand.
     
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  15. tabletop123, Jul 20, 2019

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    Listen....( G) is a excellent shooter. He tells me all of the time" " Top, you are trying too hard to do too much". I just CANNOT/WILL NOT toss with the intention of " Just avoid the Seven out". It is what it is.

    You have to do what's comfortable for YOU!!!
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Jul 20, 2019

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    We have to stop this dice set changing nonsense. A little strong but hey it is not sinking in.I have been winning because my shot is on- how do I know?
    Get a velur blanket or throw 1 and put it on top of your bed. Toss the dice as you are making your normal throw . What to look for. You want to see 2 imprints of the dice 1/4' apart side by side and perpendicular to the B.W..

    If you can execute that you can use any dice set you want except the All Sevens . Are your tossed identical? No of course not but a lot of them are.

    Go get a legitimate shot and do not worry about dice set changes.Get in the game without those dire thoughts
     
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  17. lone irish digit, Jul 20, 2019

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    This is Barney

    I know the LID agrees with Mr Guacamole and he only changes dices set after the comeouts. However, the LIDs bestest friend the late Dan Mahoney (was a professional craps player), changed sets much like Mr Dicebelly. He would change his dice set after every 5 tosses because he thought the 7 was due for that set. Both are/were quite successful so different strokes for different personages might apply here.
     
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    If one does not play a bonus bet, you should have at least two sets. One to roll a comeout winner and one to avoid a seven. GWAG Dave, make MP proud!
     
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    :cool: Why not use all 576 sets? :) I use one set, but have 576 different throws.
     
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    Dave

    Your free to believe anything you want....it is a free world.

    TDB
     
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