Why casino craps cannot be beaten

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by TDVegas, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. James Hall, May 5, 2019

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    So one of the guys you refer to as one of the , "TWO STOOGES"
    I simply feel that I must ask , "Do you often get a positive responce
    from someone ehen you ask them to do something or not do something
    immediately after calling them , "STOOGES".
    Does that normally work well for you.???
    Do you normally get positive res ponces that way.??
     
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  2. James Hall, May 5, 2019

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    A spotlight would be saying
    "I always finish net positive , I won $80,000 last year
    and I am up $30,000 so far this year. That is truly
    HOGGIN A SPOTLIGHT.
    That is some damned good income. How much has he won
    since that last deceleration of his. We love those kinds of trip reports.
    Not from everybody tho , just from the , "GROUP OF INSIDERS"
     
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  3. von duck, May 6, 2019

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    I didn't watch this guy for 15 months, just one night, and I'd say he won at least $50,000. I don't believe this guy was your average "Joe" throwing dice, though he made an effort to appear to be. I also do not believe he was a, so called "DI". Though I DO believe there was substantial influence applied to the dice. I believe he was part of a larger scheme. :cool:
     
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  4. eagleeye2, May 6, 2019

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    von duck,

    Did you get in on the PROFITS that were out there, or just watch G closely, for your own edification?

    eagleeye2
     
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  5. von duck, May 6, 2019

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    No, I didn't get in on the game, not for big bucks anyway. Guy had $100 hard ways bet for the dealers, and was hitting them. Quite a few $1000 drops, in the dealers toke box. I had never seen tips that big before, or since. :cool:
     
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  6. von duck, May 6, 2019

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    No, I didn't get in on the game, not for big bucks anyway. Guy had $100 hard ways bet for the dealers, and was hitting them. Quite a few $1000 drops, in the dealers toke box. I had never seen tips that big before, or since. :cool:
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, May 6, 2019

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    I have taken the liberty to add IMHO appropriate emphasis to the quoted statement because some members here continue to attempt to prove beyond all shadow of doubt their personal achievements. It cannot be done simply because there is no way to prove beyond all shadow of doubt that any documentation provided is applicable to them, regardless of how legitimate its source appears to be. Photographs can be doctored, other members providing corroborating testimony may be mere sock puppets, and the claimant may not be the subject of the "evidence" from a neutral web site. And then there is Queen Gertrude's comment in Shakespeare's Hamlet: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
     
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  8. eagleeye2, May 6, 2019

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    von duck,

    How long ago was that?

    eagleeye2
     
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  9. von duck, May 6, 2019

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    About a year and a half ago.
     
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  10. DeMango, May 6, 2019

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    You are making too much sense there Midnight! I think a humbling 2x4 across their heads first thing in the morning might help.
     
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  11. twodicebilly, May 6, 2019

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    von duck

    Far as I know no one has seen G on the table when he won all or any
    large part of the $40,000 or $80,000 is said he was ahead..maybe he hit
    the slots or some other thing...I hope some one comes forward soon.

    As for me, I wont practice anymore now that I understand I really cant
    beat the table, I cant be wasting my time....I thought 23 ATS wins in three
    trips was because I had it figured out....man was that close....next time i
    was going to bet more.... von duck you stick around here with experts
    like TDV they will not lead in the wrong direction.

    TDB
     
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  12. James Hall, May 6, 2019

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    A coward with a 2x4 could find himself at a tremendous disadvantage
    under some circumstances.
     
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  13. TDVegas, May 6, 2019

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    I’ve seen G win on 2 separate occasions. IIRC, one was a four figure win and the other high or mid 3 figure. Very short session. Maybe 1 or 2 hands each.

    I’ve seen tomp rack a fairly big win. IIRC, north of 2k.

    I arrived when mssthis was getting a hand pay on craps. Also into 4 figures.

    Others?

    I've played craps with Liman. Also OAP. I've seen crapspoopshoot play craps.

    What point are ya trying to make, Billy?

    People do win at craps. I witnessed it myself and I'm pretty sure I can say that.

    If you are looking here for a group hug or group affirmation that you personally beat craps with skilled play by hitting ATS bets....and that the forum acknowledge you did this and it wasn't just plain old luck----well, I doubt you're going to get that.

    James might offer a "you did the work, you did this".....great.

    Not all here are going to back slap you as a skilled player. I'll guarantee those here who believe the game is random aren't going to say "this was skill". They will offer a glad you won, glad you had good luck. Whatever.

    So be it. Be happy you won, were congratulated. End of story.

    Oh, btw....no one here saw you win any of these 24 ATS wins in 90 attempts? Or do I have it wrong?

    Just clarifying.
     
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  14. twodicebilly, May 6, 2019

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    TDV

    Thats pretty good right????? that is why i am so confused,
    how could I have done that, if what the player does makes no
    difference....

    Just want your honest opinion here....


    TDB
     
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  15. TDVegas, May 6, 2019

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    Luck. Same way I rolled four hard 10’s in a row.
     
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  16. James Hall, May 6, 2019

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    It sounds like you are talking bubble craps. Any win there is a GIFT.
     
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  17. James Hall, May 6, 2019

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    Taking credit for what the machine does is not rolling..
     
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  18. James Hall, May 6, 2019

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    Here is a question for TDVegas and other members of this forum.
    Gargoil posted that he had won , I believe the figure
    was , $115,000 in 15 months , TT had posted something
    that basically verified that .
    Would it be fair to say that part of G's income has now come from the craps tables
    for at least that period of time.
    Any thoughts??? , anyone .
     
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  19. twodicebilly, May 6, 2019

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    JAMES

    When you accomplish what you start out to do....that has to be enough,
    and I have done that...

    Just the very idea that what I accomplished on my last three trips is more than
    TDV can understand is an idea of what I did do...that is pretty cool


    TDB
     
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  20. lone irish digit, May 6, 2019

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    This is Barney

    I can say for a fact the craps personage you saw was not the LID. Because of his most magnificent toss of dices, other players at table tip him and sometimes the dealers do too.
     
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