Why do DI's lose?

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  1. DeMango, Jun 3, 2017

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    Your opinions here!
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Jun 3, 2017

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    I assume you are asking other DI's, and wouldn't be interested in other's opinions?
     
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    Your table at home is not the same as the casino.
    The hardness of table,underlayment and cloth covering.
    No pressure at home. No money on the line.
    Too comfortable at home. Your clothing,favorite music playing
     
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    Over betting their advantage! Under betting their advantage! Thinking you have an advantage....when you don't. Playing too long. Playing on the wrong equipment.

    Playing on crowded tables. Betting on too many other players. Playing when not properly bankrolled. Playing those fucked up prop bets.

    Playing in the wrong Casinos. Playing with a group of guys that think they are Di's, because they just took a class, & not one fu**king person in the group knows what the f**k they are doing.

    Placing too many bets from the git go. Playing with scared money.

    Chasing losses. Going on tilt ( my specialty). Going to the Casinos with only one fu**ked up toss.

    Shooting when you are out of position.

    I could probably list several more, but just THINKING about everything that I previously listed, makes my head hurt! Does anyone have any fu**king Aspirin? Lol
     
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    after moses parted the red sea no one else has performed any miracles
     
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    I beg to differ with you on THAT assumption.
     
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    They lose by over betting and they lose discipline especially when off to a bad start.Also too aggressive betting strategies.
     
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  8. DeMango, Jun 3, 2017

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    Did Moses turn water into Mogen David?
     
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  9. tabletop123, Jun 3, 2017

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    Okay, I know that you guys don't care for Linaway, but I purchased his "Chucky" dice tossing machine a couple of years ago & it DOES launch the dice PERFECTLY in a side by side backspin motion.

    The contraption is VERY hard to beat. It hits the same spot, repeatedly with the same trajectory, landing spots & rotational speed

    Little Joe Green ( Wong challenge guy) has the contraption as well. Little Joe says he Has beat the machine several times. Out of 10 attempts over the years, I have beat it only once.

    Laugh if you'd like, but "Chucky" is one Dice Influencing S.O.B. Its a very simple contraption made out of wood ( no, NOT that Superrick dice sliding deal), but very effective, indeed!

    Forget the experiment thingy.......if you wanna see workmanlike dice tossing.....Chucky is the real deal.
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Jun 3, 2017

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    How does that help you?
     
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  11. DeMango, Jun 3, 2017

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    Interesting. How exactly do you beat it???
     
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  12. tabletop123, Jun 3, 2017

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    It won't help you to win, but it's simply a visual thingy. Lets you witness the dice spinning flawlessly, & nailing the same spot on the table effortlessly!
     
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    Well, that's the whole idea......You will NOT beat it consistently, because it has no flaws. No improper gripping of the dice. No erratic body twitches to alter your toss mechanics , or inaccuracies of nailing a spot on the table.

    I purchased it out of curiosity, & suprisingly, it delivers AS EXPECTED. I thought that you guys knew about Linaway's invention, being that he's shown illustrations, & if memory serves me correctly, i think Rick has one, or has viewed it in Action.

    It's along the same line as Ahigh's, but not spring loaded, & not as sophisticated. Its basically all wood.
     
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  14. DeMango, Jun 4, 2017

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    Okay starting to understand. I assume you made notes. What is the best SRR this thing does?
     
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    LOL -

    I was an Altar Boy while in grammar school -

    The Catholic Church used Christian Brothers port wine -

    Ahhhhh, the good old days !

    Mad Dog 20/20 is NO comparison to anything -

    It is totally bottom shelf !

    $...eE..$
     
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    VERY INTERESTING !

    I purchased one of his TZD devices a few years back -

    Got left in NJ with the move !

    $...eE..$
     
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    A properly designed device would be able to replicate the same throw over and over, thereby allowing you to compile data as to whether a perfect "throw" would produce a usable result. In the landing area for Iron Byron there was a worn out strip of grass about 2 feet wide, proving that if somebody swings the club consistently, they can get consistent results. If my contraption "Iron Duck" cannot achieve consistent results, then it will be "proven" that DI is impossible. It will take a while to go through the 60,000 or so launch scenarios, with enough throws to "weed out" normal deviation, but I'm sure the whole thing will be worthwhile. Got any ideas that might help?
     
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    Playing tried, playing long sessions, over playing your funds, and trying to duplicate what you sessions on your home practice rig from what you learned at a DI class days, weeks or longer, and no one there of any experience to correct your flaws, something as simple as your stance, and table conditions in general, not being able to read what the dice are giving you. So frustration sets in you start losing you bet more stay longer.

    Just my opinion, if you have to drive hours to get to a casino, and you are not staying over night, you are just wasting time and money. Being rested, being relaxed, being alert are major components which often go overlooked.
     
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    There has been talk about building a machine that could launch the dice, have them in a casino required trajectory, hit the felt, bounce off the back wall in a consistent manner every time. Then, like you say, compile enough data to arrive at a mathematical confidence level that a bias was introduced, or not. This would solve the question of whether DI was attainable to any positive degree.

    To my knowledge, no one has spent the time and money to construct such a device. Remember, it must perform n a casino condition, and with-in casino requirements. I doubt that any inclined plane, or other simple device accomplishes that, although I have never seen the one Top eluded to.

    You can achieve DI with short rolls, blanket rolls, sliding, etc., but they won't let you do that.

    I think it would be great if someone could build the right kind of "machine", at least it would settle the question, for me anyway.....ain't gonna happen, too much effort and money!
     
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  20. tabletop123, Jun 4, 2017

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    Never done any in-depth study, but did record 108 tosses with only three Sevens.......SRR of 36!

    This is why I know, beyond my own capabilities, that the Dice can be influenced. Just not really sure if a Human can deliver the same perfect mechanical skills.......Especially for 108 consecutive tosses.

    The only problem with The invention is that it's all manual, & a bit tedious. Little Joe Green made several post about the contraption over on Rick's board.

    I know that LJ has not posted in a while, but I would ASSUME that all of his old post are still there.

    I even named my contraption..... "The Beast"! It is one perfectly tossing S.O.B.

    By the way, this is NOT a "plug" for Linaway's invention. I haven't spoken to him in over a year, & the last that I heard, he was posting on Facebook on a Private Craps Forum.

    My contraption sits in a corner of my table with spider webs on it. I rarely practice anymore ( 8 yrs of practice is enough), & the wife uses the table for folding laundry nowadays.

    However, I can STILL "light up the board" on my table when I get " The Itch" to toss em!
     
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