Why do we play?

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  1. TDVegas, Aug 25, 2016

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    I must have called that number 40 times one night, trying to get a pizza delivered. Still waiting.
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Aug 25, 2016

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    The only time LID takes that smoke out of his mouth is in these situations where he will carefully set it down somewhere, put his face between the cleavage, and move his head back and forth while whistling dixie. What, only seven babes?
     
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  5. James Hall, Aug 25, 2016

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    I didn't delete it , I posted it because someone on the forum
    who was pissed off about some of my
    "EXTRAORDINARY , & OUTRAGEOUS" claims
    posted most of my email address and most of my phone number
    so I went ahead and posted the whole number
    I have not deleted any of that
     
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  6. James Hall, Aug 25, 2016

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    well it actually worked out rather well I have had calls from several on the forum . Some of them initially were
    quite upset with my posts , we talked and they understood what I said and we came to an agreement about certain things
    among those were super rick , we have talked on the phone several times , I have talked with Harley
    a couple people came to Mesa before the ACA and spent some time
    a couple came by after , one that came after was somewhat surprised he was very skeptical before the ACA , but came away from there
    understanding more about the strategies taught there
    came here and got another perspective and said that he can see how this could work for him
    in each case there were some of my students at the house and they had an opportunity to see why
    these OUTRAGEOUS & EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS are quite workable as a strategy
    one even told me he decided it could not work , the dice had to be always random
    and he felt like he lost a lot of time by not looking at it more closely before deciding it couldn't work
    I am not nor have I ever been shy I am a friendly guy when treated in a friendly manner

    A couple of those guys were shocked when I sent them my address so they could google map it
    one even verified a couple times I was giving him my address so as not to make a trip and find I had been leading him on
    A couple of them I picked up at the airport spent most of a day and took them aback to the airport
    thanks to all that I now have several new friends

    I will help people any time I can
    before I ever got on this Forum I had people come to me from other states to check out the world of Dice influence
    on several occasions I have picked people up at the airport spent time with them and returned them to the airport
    call me crazy if you must I like helping people
    none of my claims are things I have not done or accomplished
     
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  7. superrick, Aug 25, 2016

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    Most guys like James and myself learned that you have to give something back and pass on what you learned.
     
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    if you want to do a craps player a service, tell them to spend their gambling money on their children or donate it to a childrens hospital or charity of their choice..
    telling them they can win at this game on a regular basis with practice is just wrong.
     
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  9. James Hall, Aug 25, 2016

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    my question always is and always has been "why would anybody play who in the long run loses"
    "Why would a person , any person play ANY GAME they cannot win"
    people will go into casinos over and over again lose money and say
    " I love craps , I just play for fun I really don't care if I win or lose I play for fun and when I lose a couple hundred dollars I quit"
    "Hell I know you can't win , for me it's just entertainment , just something to do

    People will save money all year to take that 2 week vacation to Vegas
    gamble with the hope of winning lose , go home and do it again next year

    Then you have the degenerates , can't win and can't quit playing
    some live in Vegas or other areas where they allow craps , they are in a casino
    at every opportunity losing money they can't afford to lose many times grocery money
    even rent money , house payments or car payments ,

    90% of the people who play should never be in a casino
    some of those people are on this forum
     
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  10. TDVegas, Aug 25, 2016

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    Same type of question would be asked of you...why would someone spend so much time and energy practicing, practicing and practicing, buying tables, hosting practice nights at your home. More practice time. More time on the home table. Practice time, practice time, more practice...

    And then gamble as infrequently as you do in an actual casino? Considering most DI's admit that the skill is fleeting, short term, doesn't just happen and cannot be guaranteed...seems like a gigantic waste of time to invest so much time practicing and rarely playing.

    Doesn't make sense, especially since you claim to play with an advantage.

    Just the fact that you spend so much time here tells me you're not in the casino.
     
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  11. James Hall, Aug 25, 2016

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    I must have neglected to answer those questions all the other many times you have asked them and if such is the case let me first of all
    apologize for neglecting to do so
    The reason I practice so much is because I was never blessed with the ability to do anything well without doing an ample amount of practice
    as I pointed out in a previous post , As a golf professional it was necessary for me to practice everyday to maintain the edge that I desired
    in my golf swing
    two or three days of not practicing would be very evident in my game results

    I approach craps or anything else I do with much the same determination , MEDIOCRITY to me is unacceptable so I practice enough to keep my game sharp
    as I pointed out in one of those earlier posts evey week or so we go thru betting strategies to improve or correct any shortfall

    Up until recently we would go to Vegas at least one per month and sometimes more frequently
    The trips were timed partially on the strength of my game , As I have mentioned before I do not like losing
    if am not experiencing my A GAME at the time we might have planned to go , we do not go
    We have other things we have had to do which have interfered with our normal routine , when we have resolved those
    we will continue as before
    Several days ago you posted something and you mentioned
    STARTING AGAIN
    in that spirit I have elected to communicate with you in a more civil tone
    It is my hope that you will also
    I have tried to answer your concerns once again , it is my hope that this will suffice
    If not please let me know where I have failed to answer your concerns
    of course for the life of me I cannot see why you would care beyond this point
    however if you do have further concerns please let me know
     
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  12. James Hall, Aug 25, 2016

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    I am sure you are aware that I also teach other people what I do
    one of the reasons I do that is because the more I teach the better I get with my game
    very much of that was true teaching golf
     
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  13. TDVegas, Aug 25, 2016

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    Many golfers take that approach to practice. That usually occurs on Mon-Wed. On Thurs-Sun, they are in the "casino" (golf tour) making bank or trying. You never seem to be in the casino. Just a lot of practice.
    Again. The "game" has to be applied in a casino. You don't apply this where it counts with any frequency. Seems like a lot of practice with nothing to show in the wallet...i.e., waste of time.
    More practice? No real play? Doesn't make sense to me. So much practice and so little actual play. At some point a coroner has to cut up a real body and discard the books.
    Ok. You said next time playing in Vegas is scheduled for...December? Give us a heads up. We'll keep the light on. As your student I'd be like "I'm tired of practicing, lets you and I get on the real fucking table"

    December??
     
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    the reason your rationale sounds a bit strange is you keep hosting get togethers, keep practicing, picked up ACA guys at the airport, had this time to show them, demonstrate what you do, etc....but you have "things" interfering to get to Vegas?

    You do realize Southwest has flights every hour on the hour to Vegas? It's less than an hour flight. Morning flight. Play. Take an evening flight back. You don't have time for that but have time to run airport shuttles and demonstrations but no time to play and win?

    You keep saying you don't understand us.

    We don't understand you.
     
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  15. superrick, Aug 25, 2016

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    You think that if you can win you should be like you and spend all of there time in the casinos.

    That's not the way it works, I don't need to play every day to just kill the casinos, that's plain stupid!

    Do you think that everybody is that stupid?

    Everything that we say happens you say it can't happen!

    Nobody says that they can win every time they play.

    If you take the time to study anything you should get better at it. You don't have to be a loser all of your life.
     
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  16. TDVegas, Aug 25, 2016

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    I think you're right.
     
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    I am most certain that if you PM'd him - he would divulge it to you !

    I spoke to him a while ago - he's a decent, likable and knowledgeable individual !

    $...eE..$
     
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  18. superrick, Aug 25, 2016

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    It's amazing what happens when you take the time to talk to someone!
     
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  19. James Hall, Aug 25, 2016

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    you want to get on a table ??
    whats holding you up??
    get on a table
    You said nothing in the wallet , I do well on the tables , I still have all the money from my last trips to Kansas , New Mexico and Colorado
    You said I don't play with any frequency , I play as often as I want or need to
    and if I ever become a coroner I will keep the books just to refer to , if needed

    I have a life away from craps , I don't live to play craps , for me it's just
    another means ,
     
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  20. Settingcanthurt, Aug 25, 2016

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    OMG never thought of that
     
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