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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Craps Poopshoot, May 30, 2016.
The math does not support the video.
you have to hit the number twice. no big deal because in theory a come bet is the same as a pass line bet.
you can get taken out on the come out roll with a 7. but you only lose the bet, not the odds. so something leftover. At the same time, you can call your odds working and have them on during the come-out rolls. When i roll, i do this over 50% of the time. Increased risk with increased payout.
there is no money management with come bets. this is a misleading comment. The logic does not support the statement. There is no truth to this statement whatsoever.
no benefits mentioned on come betting.....
Booyah !! .... Exactly - and unless you are getting 20x odds are better, PL bets are just as bad as Come bets !!
Care to elaborate your point
The video's logic is sound !! .... Come Bets are very conservative betting for beginners only or never IMO
Next time after a 30 minute roll, check out whose rack is bigger - a Come Better or a Place Box bettor ... Most every time the Place Bettor will have as much as 3x or more the rack of a Come bettor !!!!
... that's part of Money Management
There are plenty of sessions where it is the ONLY bet I make, save for when I am the shooter and must play something else.
The only thing I like less about the Come than the Pass is that I can't parlay the naturals quite as nicely, since only two out of eight of them allow me to keep on the same shooter with the parlay.
Even so, if the natural is a loser seven for the shooter, the parlay can and usually does go out on the next available come bet.
The video is not sound logic. The reality is the come bet is better than placing the numbers if you use the ONLY standard benchmark for determining which is the better play---the caveat being money at risk being equal on both plays.
Personal preference has nothing to do with which is better. If you feel a hop better is better than a pass line bet...so be it. That's how you "feel".
The numbers spell a different story than what is claimed by the video. This is simply a video on personal preference with ZERO basis on the numbers side of the argument.
If you are going to place or buy three numbers...you've got 3 bets at risk right off the bat. The come bet gives you some giveback on quick 7 outs.
While it is true that being paid with the first hit has the place bettor ahead of the come bettor, a natural winner wins for the Come bettor, while 75% of these winners will result in loss of all for the place bettor, with emphasis on ALL, since most place bettors are on way more than one number.
The thing I like BEST about the Come winner is that it comes off the table.
Not so with the place winner, and you know as well as I do that while the bet is certainly under the players control, 99% of the place bettors press and keep pressing, making for a huge loss when the seven finally does show.
You have got to get some money off the table, and this is much easier to do on the Come. To each his own.
The odds change during the come bet process.
You choose when to make the come bet. And when you have the come bet out - it is the best bet on the table (odds wise).
Once the point is established, the odds shift to the casinos advantage, & you can afford to take 20x odds and reduce the house edge further then you have a established bet.
I find come bet gives you some flexibility over a pass line bet.
and based on comments on this thread i would say that the video has been rebuked.
I enjoy the fun test on some shooters who have a certain approach to throwing the dice but seem to always seven out. The fun part is winning the come bet when they throw the 7. if not you can get a burn when they seven out on 2nd toss after point was established.
This happens a HELL of a lot of times for me, but I play almost nothing but the Come.
You seem to dismiss the come out roll where you are a two to one favorite to win on a natural!
when you are getting paid on your come bets, and increasing the odds on longer rolls, and getting some "on and off's" the chips in the rack add up fast. Eventually the 7 may kill that but when it flows, it is a fast way to win. There are differences in this and a pressing strategy and other ways to end up with place bets after you started with come bets...... knowing how to do this can make the difference in the size of your win on longer rolls. It is great when you can get 2 or 3 or more "on and offs" in a row!
There is no basis for arguing that place bets are better than pass and come bets.
Betting equal amounts on pass verses place, the pass and come bets are expected to lose less...period!
Gee I agree 100% with Harley. Just because it has a low HA does not make it a good bet. Bets work together. What good is the 7 payout if your other bets lose? Not to mention on a new CO it loses. Want to see a life time loser- look to those bowing at the altar of low HA bets!
What good are 3 place bets if ALL 3 lose on a 7 out?
Please, Dave...if your argument is personal preference, go with what you "feel". If you want to use sound principles to determine which is "better"...it's the come bettor.
KKJ is a low HA player and last time I checked he's up well over 4 figures.
OAP - theory of Come Bets do not equal reality in Vegas - you are wrong on this issue in today's craps world IMO
I just cannot get caught up in the " strictly math" way to play. Yes not having all your place bets going down is a point in your favor. If it is working for you I have no argument. I do not like pl bets either.
I may not see eye to eye with Harley but he plays in the real world unlike OAP whose play is wrapped up in only math.