I am a retired IT guy and craps player for over 30 years. I have been programming craps systems in WinCraps for some time. None of the systems programmed win over the long run but some do limit the amount of losses so you can play longer with less bankroll. I am looking for challenging systems to program in WinCraps. Message me if you have any such systems. I have a dice roll file from my casino play of over 4500 real rolls that I run the sim through. Also can set win/loss/rolls limits to the sim. Would love to see other forum members WinCraps sims! I have included a little system sim I like to play with the Field and DP.

We're birds of a feather, although it has been 49 years since I bellied up to my first craps table. We know that if dice rolls are random no betting system can beat the game, as in give the player the mathematical advantage, in the long run. What betting systems can do is influence the shape of what one poster of yesteryear (goatcabin) called The Shape of Possible Futures. What I would find interesting are graphs showing those shapes, the outcomes of, just to pick some numbers out of thin air, 10000 sessions of 500 rolls (about four hours of play with a decent crew), a starting bankroll of $1000, and bets starting at $10. For each strategy run through the sim, What was the highest amount won? How many sessions double the bankroll? How many sessions end with any profit at all? How many sessions "go the distance"? I understand beggars can't be choosers, so I would settle for some grouping of strategies into general categories like the ones I came up with for an article I wrote for Casino City Times some years back. Winnng progressions Losing progressions Regressions Hedges Waiting Hybrids You asked for systems to program. I have one that may prove to be a bit of a challenge, particularly since I probably have not covered all the bases.

I have a complex hybrid system that I use on the bubble machines. Not sure if it would be possible to program it as the bet amounts change in a tiered progression tied to how many dollars you have lost instead of tied to losing bets. If you want me to explain it let me know.

I also do much the same...progress and regress based on dollar amount lost not bets won or lost. It's a bit of a D'Alembert, based on dollars not individual bets. A very high win rate with small win goals, and moderate bankroll. Good luck with yours!

I have been winning with this method 3 out of 4 times I go to Vegas. I would like to see what it would look like in WinCraps simulator, but I don't have the know how to input my strategy. Craps Table Minimum Bet/Bank Roll: Table Limit $5 - Bank Roll $300 Table Limit $10 - Bank Roll $600 Table Limit $25 - Bank Roll $1000 Table Limit $100 - Bank Roll $3000 I only play on 3, 4, and 5 odds only. I would like to see what the simulator be on double odds and 100x odds. Strategy: On a $5 table limit with 3, 4, and 5 odds. I would bet $5 on the Don't Pass. If 2 or 3 comes up naturally just pick up the winnings. If a 7 or a 11 comes out I would just put another $5 on the Don’t Pass. If a number is rolled such as a 6 I would put max odds ($30) on the initial $5 making the total bet $35 on the point. I would then put $5 on the Don’t Come. If 2 or 3 comes up naturally just pick up the winnings. If an 11 comes out I would just put another $5 on the Don’t Come. I would like a 7 come out, but you already know what happens. Let’s just say another number is rolled such as 9. I would put max odds ($30) on the Don’t Come bet on the 9. I would then put another $5 on the Don’t Come, and as the same 2 or 3 pick up bet or put another $5 if a 11 is rolled. I would bet another $5 on the Don’t Come until another number is rolled such as 10, I would put max odds ($30) on the number 10 making $35. At this point I have the original point 6, with a number 9, and a number 10 with my Don’t Come bets. I really want a 7 now. I only do max 3 numbers that includes the initial bet. So now what I have is called bases loaded the number 6, 9, and 10. I stop betting the Don’t Come. I wait till a 7 comes out or the number that I have the bets on rolled. Either way I wait till a 7 is rolled. This would be the optimum bet getting 3 numbers and 7 out. Whoo Whoo! This doesn’t really happen often. If any time a roller knocks off one of my numbers then I stop betting until the next roller. For the past 2 years I am about $75,000 up with this method. But would be nice to have WinCraps tell us if double odds or 100x odds is even better.

Tier betting. I like it especially now they comp/rate you not only on what you wager but also your winnings (platinum card holders or better. If your gonna simulate tier betting I'd steer away from $10 bets and go straight to $50 bets. example: 1) Start with $50 on Don't Pass Line 2) a: If 4 or 10 is the point > Buy the point for 30, Hardway point for $10, place 5/8 for 5 each b: If 5 or 9 is the point > Place the point for 40, place 4/10 for 5 each c: If 6 or 8 is point > place the point for 48 along with a $2 hardway point 3) Do not bother with martingale the DP after each loss, instead just flat bet because it all balances out in the wash. This is very conservative yet very rewarding when paying bubble craps or any digital craps machine using your players card to collect tier points and also reward points for free credits.

I feel that's an excellent way to play. Biggest problem I have is not losing discipline on the occasional long roll or downward spell and switching to the pass side.

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