Ive been practicing at home on a craps mat and a bit online, but before i can confidently play for real i wanted to know about a few things that seem sketchy to me on some online games and a few other questions. (bodog craps particularly) I’m not sure if that’s there certain way they play and if that’s the way they play in Las Vegas. I want to know how to play the “Las Vegas” way so I’m not mislead when actually playing at the tables.

My first question is that the Bodog’s craps game lets you bet place bets and buy bets on the “come-out roll.”
You can’t bet those unless you have a pass or don’t pass line bet right?

Also, you can’t win come, buy, or place bets unless the “on” puck is on except “lay” or “place to lose” bets right?

Another thing is that some pay-outs are technically suppose to be paid .25 and .50 cents but there aren’t “cent chips.” So what are they rounded nearest to?

One more thing, the 5% commission on “buy” bets are usually $1 even though you don’t bet no more than $25

Wow… I think you really need to get a book and read it and understand the rules and bets you can make.

Place bets and buy bets are “off” on the come out, but you can tell the dealer to turn them “on” during the come out. Therefore, you can place or buy a number on any roll with or with out a pass or dont pass line bet.

I dont understand your second question.

Usually $1 is the smallest chip. To get the “proper” pay out you have to make a “proper” bet.  i.e. If you place the 6 or 8 it pays 7 to 6 so you would bet $6 to win $7 or bet in increments of 6 (12, 18, 24, 30, etc…)

Ask the dealer what the vig is on a buy bet to be sure. Only buy the 10 and 4 for at least $20. Some casinos will make it an automatic buy bet.

redroyale7 - 06 February 2010 04:18 PM

Ive been practicing at home on a craps mat and a bit online, but before i can confidently play for real i wanted to know about a few things that seem sketchy to me on some online games and a few other questions. (bodog craps particularly) I’m not sure if that’s there certain way they play and if that’s the way they play in Las Vegas. I want to know how to play the “Las Vegas” way so I’m not mislead when actually playing at the tables.

My first question is that the Bodog’s craps game lets you bet place bets and buy bets on the “come-out roll.”
You can’t bet those unless you have a pass or don’t pass line bet right?

Also, you can’t win come, buy, or place bets unless the “on” puck is on except “lay” or “place to lose” bets right?

Another thing is that some pay-outs are technically suppose to be paid .25 and .50 cents but there aren’t “cent chips.” So what are they rounded nearest to?

One more thing, the 5% commission on “buy” bets are usually $1 even though you don’t bet no more than $25

By default, place bets, buy bets and odds behind come numbers are not “working” on the comeout roll; however, you can tell the dealer that you want them to “work”, which means you can win or lose them on that (comeout) roll. I believe that, by default, hardway bets do “work” on the comeout, but you can call them “off”. They have these little buttons with “on” or “off” on them that they put next to your cheques if you are “going against the grain”.

Very few casinos have 25-cent or 50-cent cheques any more. That means that you need to make your bets in amounts such that the payoff will be a multiple of $1. For example, if you make a place bet on the six for $5, the payoff should be $5.83 (7:6), but they will pay you just $5; this is called “breakage”, and means you are giving the house even more edge. You make the bet for $6 (assuming a $5 minimum table) to get paid $7. The same principle applies to odds bets behind the pass or come bets:

6 and 8 pay 6:5, so make bets in multiples of $5
5 and 9 pay 3:2, so make bets in multiples of $2
4 and 10 pay 2:1, so you don’t have to worry about it

As to buy bets, the minimum “vig” is $1, which is 5% of $20, so if you buy a number for less than $20, you are increasing the vig beyond 5%. The rules on buy and lay bets vary considerably among casinos. Ask the dealer what the rules are. For example, what’s the vig on a $30 buy bet? Do they round up, or down, or do they alternate $1 with $2? Do they collect the vig only on winning bets or all bets? It makes a lot of difference.
Good luck,
Alan Shank

goatcabin - 09 February 2010 01:47 PM

I believe that, by default, hardway bets do “work” on the comeout, but you can call them “off”.

While this seems to be becoming the standard I do not think it is a universal one.  Absent a sign posted on the table or an announcement by the stick, ask the dealer, or better yet, get the stick’s attention and state your desire to work or not to work.

The Midnight Skulker - 10 February 2010 03:13 PM

goatcabin - 09 February 2010 01:47 PM

I believe that, by default, hardway bets do “work” on the comeout, but you can call them “off”.

While this seems to be becoming the standard I do not think it is a universal one.  Absent a sign posted on the table or an announcement by the stick, ask the dealer, or better yet, get the stick’s attention and state your desire to work or not to work.

Good advice. At my local casino, Cache Creek in Yolo County, CA, the dealers say “Hardways work, unless you call them off”.
Of course, here in California they have to use cards to determine the result, since it’s illegal to use dice (or a roulette wheel) to determine the outcome of a game. There are several systems in use to get around this, most of them using dice to “point” to cards with a dice picture on them.

My favorite system is at the Colusa Casino, about 40 miles from where I live: they have six numbered blue boxes and six red ones, each with a face-down card, ace through six in each set of boxes. The “shooter” rolls a blue die and a red one. The face showing on the blue die “points” to the blue box, same for the red, and the stickman turns the appropriate cards over, and they are interpreted just like dice faces. After each result, the cards and shuffled around, so the cards are not in the same boxes each time. Even if you could control the dice, it wouldn’t to any good, as you wouldn’t know which card was in that box.

If casinos ever should become convinced that some players can gain an advantage via “dice control”, “de-randomizing”, etc., we could see “card craps” everywhere. Once you get used to it, it’s just a bit slower, and everything else is the same.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

Hey redroyale7

The rules are the same at almost all casinos. The only thing that really changes is the amount of odds allowed.
If your playing live for the first time try not to get caught up in the action. Most new players burn through their money before they can hit a winning streak.

Remember the house always has the edge. As leonard Cohen says “everybody knows the dice are loaded”.

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