ABOUT LAY BETTING.

I WAS GAMBLING (DICE) AT A CASINO ON THE GULF COAST ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO WHEN MY WIFE RAN UP TO ME VERY EXCITED

“COME SEE ” SHE SAID “2 MEN OVER THERE ,( 2 OTHER TABLES) , THEY BROKE ALL THE CASINO’S IN BILOXI LAST NITE , NOW THEY ARE HERE DOING THE SAME . THIS LADY WAS THERE . THEY TOOK ALL THE LARGE CHIPS THE BILOXI CASINOS HAD ON HAND “

On my wife’s arm was a dear soul from the state of TEXAS . I introduced myself , picked up my chips , then went over to get a glimpse of these MONSTERS players.

Play for each MONSTER was the same . $400 no 4 , $400 no $10 .

Then one the MONSTERS made a Dont Pass FATAL move ! CHASE !

He lost a 4 , THEN PROCEEDED TO CHASE THE SHOOTER , not ONCE , TWICE ,AND KEPT GOING,—- SO DID THE SHOOTER WHO EVENTAULLY WIPED HIM OUT .

MONSTER WENT FOR THE POCKET ! (I saw both later , asking for a meal ticket)

What most players dont relize is when you lose a lay 4 or 10 , YOU MUST WIN 3 TO SHOW A PROFIT .(VIG)

I like NO 6 - OR NO 8 ( 10 PLAYS) COMEOUT ROLL ONLY!!

Example: $31 no 6 (OR 8)- MAKE THE PLAY ON COMEOUT ROLL ONLY !(10 PLAYS $310 STAKE)

Good play for a MEAL AND WALKING MAROUND MONEY !

Dados

I’ve won a lot of money following the advice of Darwin Ortiz in his book “Darwin Ortiz on Casino Gambling,” which was later republished as “Casino Gambling for the Clueless.”  There is only one chapter on craps, but it’s the best I’ve read.  There is no BS factor in Ortiz as there is in Patrick (who doesn’t like come bets) and Scoblete (a dice setter!)

Fitz - 18 April 2010 03:13 PM

I’ve won a lot of money following the advice of Darwin Ortiz in his book “Darwin Ortiz on Casino Gambling,” which was later republished as “Casino Gambling for the Clueless.”  There is only one chapter on craps, but it’s the best I’ve read.  There is no BS factor in Ortiz as there is in Patrick (who doesn’t like come bets) and Scoblete (a dice setter!)

So, why do you consider it good? What makes it “the best you’ve read”?
Cheers,
Alan Shank

Me too -

What makes it so good ?  Could any of the following players be your man ?

I have been at the dice tables for about 2 weeks straight , some good players have showed up.

On my first day of play , on my left was a gent wearing light HUNTING CLOTHES (WITH CAP)
to his left was a gent with RINGS ON ALL HIS RING FINGERS . ON HIS LEFT TWO GENTS WHO APPEARED TO KNOW SOMTHING WE DID NOT KNOW (FROM THE EXPRESSIONS). Then came my end , on the corner spot was a Gent with PIPE in his mouth and using a CANE- nest to him (in between was a player with a piece of paper in his hand , his chips stacked in rows like strawberry plants in full bloom. Eveyone was watching him MAKE HIS DICE MOVES INTENTLY- NOT KNOWNING WHAT THE F-HE WAS UP TOO.

This paper hanger really got my interest ( He look so f-confident) , after ONE play i relized where he was coming from . A SYSTEM !
He had $100 dollar chips in from of him , $ greens and red’s too . So my assumption was he had payed a good price for his NEVER FAIL system , which was play do pass or dont pass , win then TAKE EM DOWN . If a Loss—-SWITCH LEADS !
(dont/do) He was winning it seemed , with a sort of Martingale & handicap method , but within 3 rounds he kept fingering his chips-like he ws a little SHORT .(Time to call the guy who sold him the system)

ALL SYSTEMS WORK ! I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE THAT DID NOT WORK . BUT THEY ALL DIE ! Could be the FIRST day of play, with you using your entire stake for a net gain of one unit . I like plays wherein the HOUSE chases my PEANUT with their PALM TREES , which does occur on a good roll using progressive(50%) increase for winningDO PASS bets ,by doing so you are a NET winner after TWO passes are completed , THEN on your 3rd laydown The HOUSE must CHASE YOUR PEANUT($5 OR $25+ODDS)- WITH THEIR ENTIRE BANK ACCOUNT or PALM TREES -a peanut—which , in the case of a MONSTER shoot may amount to $300,000 win or more !

It happens , Play for keeps and you will get your share.

Hunting clothes (Mostly red chips) was more interested in tiping and talking to the PIT BOSS (by way of Siagon) but, said Pit Boss kept silent like he had one bullet left (revolver)for HUNT ” to play Russian Roullette . Hunting clothes gave a SEVEN OUT on his first try(cost me nothing ) , then tipped the dealers $3 ?

Then came RINGS on ALL his RING FINGERS ! First a seven , i then made my first bet (Shooter qualified) , RINGS ON ALL HIS RING FINGERS rolled another seven, i PRALAYED the smartest bet on a CRAP TABLE . Sure enough the next pass line come out roll gave me the 11 .(3to1) RINGS then rolled a 4 , i took $20 in odds behind a $10 flat bet , RING FINGER threw another 4 , and made it ! In fact he FOUR of em and MADE all FOUR- I was breating HARD now- was this roll going to be a MONSTER (20 PASSES NO CRAP ROLLS!)
By increasing my line bet was now $50-plus $100 ODDS FOR THE NEXT ROLL . Rings rolled———- from off one ring finger he rolled the 9 , the then “bucked the 9 , next he rolled the 8 and BUCKED IT TOO . By increasing my next line bet it was $175 . RINGS ON ALL HIS RING FINGERS THREW A 7 -$350 , i parlayed the $350 , rings threw the 11 for a total $700 , by increase the next laydown was $500 ,($200 for kitty) and $1,000 For odds . My heart was pumping HARD—

ALL I COULD THINK WAS—AT LAST—————————A MONSTER !!

Good hand but no monster .

DADOS

goatcabin - 18 April 2010 09:04 PM

Fitz - 18 April 2010 03:13 PM

I’ve won a lot of money following the advice of Darwin Ortiz in his book “Darwin Ortiz on Casino Gambling,” which was later republished as “Casino Gambling for the Clueless.”  There is only one chapter on craps, but it’s the best I’ve read.  There is no BS factor in Ortiz as there is in Patrick (who doesn’t like come bets) and Scoblete (a dice setter!)

So, why do you consider it good? What makes it “the best you’ve read”?
Cheers,
Alan Shank

The strategy he outlines has worked for me: avoid all the long shot prop bets, stick to come bets with max odds (the book was written however before there were 5x or more free odds).  It’s also clearly written, with no BS.  Craps is completely a game based on the laws of probability, and the house will always have an advantage no matter how you bet, so if you just stick to those bets that give the house the lowest possible advantage, you’ll have the best chance of winning.  Following this strategy, I’ve been fortunate to win more than I’ve lost over the years.  (I’m also a “hit & run” player, I rarely stay overnight in casinos.)  There’s no great creativity here, it’s simply what gives you the best chance of winning.  So, why are there relatively few come betters?  Because they fall for the old fallacy that a number has to come in twice to win.  If that’s the case, why ever make a pass line bet?  They ignore that you can still win on a 7/11 on your come bet.  I can’t tell you how many times a 7 has wiped everyone out that I still get to collect the winnings from my come bet wager.

Thanks For the Info.

A COME LINE BETTOR EH -.

With Do Come your not GUESSING which number to play .
I LIKE THAT .(LET THE DICE TELL YOU WHICH NUMBERS TO WAGER ON)

AND YOU HAVE WON MORE THAN YOU HAS LOST -GREAT , CONGRATS.

If your asking(playing) for MORE than TWO Do Come numbers or 5 of em , i have a feeling that
such investment on 5 Do Come numbers will EVENTUALLY lead you to a WALL. The Dice BRICKWALL graveyard , near Searchlight, Nevada . Across the board is a tough place (i find) to hide from the 7 , a place bet (across the board)player
can only hope the shooter makes ONE of his 5 place numbers AND that said shooter makes the SAME NUMBER 8 TIMES .

i PLAY THE COME LINE three WAYS -

1.multiple odds (2 Do Come Numbers Only-triple odds)
2. Adopted come(convert/put )
3.RED HOT , 2 do come bets—-you parlay—( milk if the parlay is sucessful )
RED HOT have a higher FATALITY rate than the other two .

I always INCREASE MY WINNING COME BETS , (50%)if i reach table limit, i play table.

I know that occasional multi-number hand or shoot comes , where the SEVEN will stay away.
That the come line bettor will win BET after BET , the pass line player nil—in SPITE OF THIS-
I assure YOU , BET for BET and DOLLAR for DOLLAR the PASS LINE bet will-IN THE LONG RUN, FAR EXCEED THE WINNING BETS ON ANY———-INDIVIDUAL COME BETS !

Players are known to say “you missed a win (place bet) on come betting-Problem here i find IS the number (GUESS NUMBER) YOU PICKED MAY NO SHOW AT ALL, at least the come number did SHOW ,—strange-but numbers(many times) repeat themselves on a dice table.

With come line wagering i parlay the 11 , (twice if i get the oportunity) take less odds if i then get a number.

With ADOPTED COME (PUT -SAYS THE MAN)you dont fret such things- OR 11 CAN ONLY BE MADE 2 WAYS, CRAPS 4 WAYS.

TRIPLE ODDS or more-
(2 do come wagers) do come betting has shown me a profit ,

However ,  i STILL say-and will ALWAYS say-
THAT- UNLESS-you INCREASE your winning DO PASS BETS or DO COME WAGERS (50%) -then—ALL YOU WILL EVER WIN AT A CRAP TABLE IS A TRIP BACK TO THE CASINO———————-USUALLY ON YOUR MONEY !

Winning a set of tires when you could have WON thousands upon thousands by increasing winning bets makes little sense to me.

dados- correr el gallo

One other comment .

I won , or i have won , when i win i leave , i read such and such a book and i won a bet , i set the dice and won a bet !

ANY B ET YOU CAN TO MAKE ON A DICE TABLE CAN BE WON- NOT ONCE ,BUT TWICE AND MORE, YET THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE MAKING SMART BETS.

LIMIT LOSSES ALWAYS. NEVER LIMIT A WINNING TABLE .

BUT unlike our successful come bettor here- , i say NEVER LIMIT YOUR WINNINGS ! Should the dice go my way(many times for all of us) IT IS BEST FOR THE HOUSE THAT I BE IN THE LATRINE-DROOLING OUT THE RECTUM !

I will WALK AWAY WITH THE CRAP TABLE AND THE CASINO! (2 Show Girls)

Forget a set of new tires play ! which only brings you back for another set (If you can find them!)
SET OF NEW TIRES PLAY !——————BS !

Be a choregrapher of the SACK , (2 show girls )

DADOS