I was driving back to LA from Palm Springs to catch a flight back home. Since I still had some time to kill, of the I-10 I saw the Morongo Casino. I went to the Craps table placed the 5 & 9 for $10.00 each, stickman calls out Seven Out. Seven out I said to myself. looking around, didn’t see any Dice. So I said Where’s The Dice. He explained it to me that in the State of California Dice are not allowed. They were using 2 sets of cards, One being color Blue the other one Red. They draw one card of each stack and call out the resulting point.

Didn’t stay too long, not because there were no Dice on the table, I just couldn’t stand the smoke in the Casino, my eyes were burning. The irony is, I’m a smoker.

diceman,

yeah i’ve heard of something similiar.  Where their is six outlined rectangular boxes up by the boxman.  They are labeled 1 through 6.  The boxman shuffles the A through 6 of diamonds playing cards and randomly lay them in the boxes labeled 1 through 6.  When someone throws the dice, they take the two numbers thrown, and push the two correlating playing cards with those two numbers foreward and thats the actual call.  for example:

1   2   3   4   5   6
A   5   2   4   6   3 (diamonds)

So if the dice were rolled and came up a soft six, lets say 4-2, then the actual call would be nine (5-4)

This happened to be in california.  So i know for a fact dice are allowed in california.  He was probably screwing with you.

diceman - 01 March 2010 02:01 PM

I was driving back to LA from Palm Springs to catch a flight back home. Since I still had some time to kill, of the I-10 I saw the Morongo Casino. I went to the Craps table placed the 5 & 9 for $10.00 each, stickman calls out Seven Out. Seven out I said to myself. looking around, didn’t see any Dice. So I said Where’s The Dice. He explained it to me that in the State of California Dice are not allowed. They were using 2 sets of cards, One being color Blue the other one Red. They draw one card of each stack and call out the resulting point.

lucky4688 - 01 March 2010 04:01 PM

yeah i’ve heard of something similiar.  Where their is six outlined rectangular boxes up by the boxman.  They are labeled 1 through 6.  The boxman shuffles the A through 6 of diamonds playing cards and randomly lay them in the boxes labeled 1 through 6.  When someone throws the dice, they take the two numbers thrown, and push the two correlating playing cards with those two numbers foreward and thats the actual call.  for example:

1   2   3   4   5   6
A   5   2   4   6   3 (diamonds)

So if the dice were rolled and came up a soft six, lets say 4-2, then the actual call would be nine (5-4)

This happened to be in california.  So i know for a fact dice are allowed in california.  He was probably screwing with you.

I believe the actual law in California is that dice cannot be used as the sole determinant of the result of a game of chance.  Some of the Native American casinos in that state have circumvented that law by making craps a card game, one way being as diceman described; others retain the flavor of the original game by using dice, but only as a means of selecting cards, one way apparently being as lucky4688 described.  I have heard that the state Attorney General is looking with jaundiced eye on the use of dice at all, but AFAIK (= “As Far As I Know”) those casinos that use dice to point to cards have not been banned from using that procedure.

The Midnight Skulker - 02 March 2010 10:34 PM

diceman - 01 March 2010 02:01 PM

I was driving back to LA from Palm Springs to catch a flight back home. Since I still had some time to kill, of the I-10 I saw the Morongo Casino. I went to the Craps table placed the 5 & 9 for $10.00 each, stickman calls out Seven Out. Seven out I said to myself. looking around, didn’t see any Dice. So I said Where’s The Dice. He explained it to me that in the State of California Dice are not allowed. They were using 2 sets of cards, One being color Blue the other one Red. They draw one card of each stack and call out the resulting point.

lucky4688 - 01 March 2010 04:01 PM

yeah i’ve heard of something similiar.  Where their is six outlined rectangular boxes up by the boxman.  They are labeled 1 through 6.  The boxman shuffles the A through 6 of diamonds playing cards and randomly lay them in the boxes labeled 1 through 6.  When someone throws the dice, they take the two numbers thrown, and push the two correlating playing cards with those two numbers foreward and thats the actual call.  for example:

1   2   3   4   5   6
A   5   2   4   6   3 (diamonds)

So if the dice were rolled and came up a soft six, lets say 4-2, then the actual call would be nine (5-4)

This happened to be in california.  So i know for a fact dice are allowed in california.  He was probably screwing with you.

I believe the actual law in California is that dice cannot be used as the sole determinant of the result of a game of chance.  Some of the Native American casinos in that state have circumvented that law by making craps a card game, one way being as diceman described; others retain the flavor of the original game by using dice, but only as a means of selecting cards, one way apparently being as lucky4688 described.  I have heard that the state Attorney General is looking with jaundiced eye on the use of dice at all, but AFAIK (= “As Far As I Know”) those casinos that use dice to point to cards have not been banned from using that procedure.

Yes, my local casino, Cache Creek, uses a somewhat similar method. They have two decks of 36 cards, each with one of the possible dice combinations in a picture. One deck is being shuffled while the other is in use. The stick deals two cards from the deck, putting one in a red rectangle, one in a blue one. The “shooter” throws two dice, a red one with just 4s and 1s and a blue one with just 3s and 2s. If the red die has the higher number, the stick turns over the card in the red rectangle and that’s the result. Likewise if the blue die has the higher number, the card in the blue rectangle shows the result. They are still using this method as of last week.

Colusa, CA, has a method using regular dice of different colors that “point” to one each of two sets of six cards, ace through six. It’s more “transparent”, as you can see that the cards are ace - six in both sets. With the decks of 36 cards, you cannot verify that all thirty-six combinations are represented, and only six sevens. I do not suspect that they are trying to cheat, but I just like to be able to see it easily.
Cheers,
Alan Shank