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I suppose this is just me complaining a bit..so i will admit that ahead of time. But still a story i can’t believe..
So i just recently started to buy the 5 and 9. I only bought the 4 and 10 up until a few months ago. However, since most casino’s lately are allowing players to drop the vig after the bet is won, it has shown to be more adventageous to buy the 5 and 9 at certain values. Anyways, I had a 20 dollar 5. Now keep in mind this dealer was very abnoxious and i couldn’t wait for her to leave for the day. Her head was everywhere else except placing and paying the bets on the table. So I hit the $20 place bet on the 5 and told her to press it to $30 dollars. Once she made it a thirty dollar 5, i realized i wanted to buy it for $30 dollars. The dice were still in the middle of the table when i leaned over and loudly asked her to buy the 5 instead of place it. She said “ok buy the 5, bet”. The dice were pushed to the shooter and the next toss was a 5. The dealer payed me 42 dollars. I looked down and saw she payed it as a place bet. Once she pushed me the $42 dollars and i realized she payed me wrong, the dice were already to the shooter. The stick was wicked fast for some reason and the dealer very slow. I said, “stop wait a second, did u pay this as a place bet or a buy bet”. She said with confidence “a place bet”. And i then stated that, “i leaned over and told you to buy it well before the dice were tossed, and you acknowledged the bet, why didn’t u pay it as a buy bet even after you acknowledged it”. At this point everyone at the table, including the box was listening to why i stopped play. She said, “well i don’t know how to pay out a $30 buy bet”. So i simply stated, ” well its not my problem you dont know how to pay it out.. is it!”. The box instantly jumped in and stated that its not worth buying the 5 or 9 for thirty anyways and i should just place it. In aggravation i took my 42 dollars and put it in the rail…...
Not only is it pathetic that the dealer did what she did…but the fact the box lied and said it wasn’t adventageous is even more baffling…Bottom line is that a $30 dollar bought 5 or 9 pays $45 dollars, minus the vig which equals $44. Two dollars more than the place bet…During the next shooter it was explained to me that at this particular local casino, that they allow you to buy the 4 and 10 and pay the vig after, however the 5 and 9 is before. Even then…invest 31 to make 45, or invest 30 to make 42…i guess its debatable but he’s wrong either way and its pathetic how that situation was handled…
The more table time i book and the more experience i get.. the ridiculous things dealers due…wow!!!
Not only is it pathetic that the dealer did what she did…but the fact the box lied and said it wasn’t adventageous is even more baffling. ... During the next shooter it was explained to me that at this particular local casino, that they allow you to buy the 4 and 10 and pay the vig after, however the 5 and 9 is before.
Wow! That’s a new one on me! I would be tempted to ask, “Does this difference also apply to lay bets? And is it day-of-the-week dependent?”
Its safe to say i will be seaking a new casino to spend my time at.
That would be my recommendation. Sounds like this is a break-in house that doesn’t want to admit it’s a break-in house. I can tolerate rookie dealers (up to a point), but not when they make stuff up to cover mistakes.
Speaking of rookies, the worst set of raw recruits I have ever encountered was at Nevada Crossing at a wide spot in the road called Jean, NV. Dice roll, “Eight easy, etc.,” base dealers freeze. Experienced dealer/teacher sitting box turns to second base and says, “Give your second $14.” No response. “I said, ‘Give your second $14!’” Still no response, so Teach cuts out $14 and says, “Give this to that guy.” And so it went around the table. At 70 seconds per roll—25 seconds is considered good at a full table, and this one wasn’t even close to full—I feared I would die of old age before the dice got to me and left.
yeah thats ridiculous….I’ve only played in vegas at numerous casino’s and some local midwest casino’s. Out of everywhere i’ve played i would have to say caesars is by far the best casino as far as dealer courtesy and skill.
A few trips ago, i caught a long roll at a table in caesars. Two friends were with me and i had been drinking steady for a couple hours. Normally i don’t mix alcohol with gambling at all, but this was a rare occasion. I really apply that to cards more than anything. So to make a long story short, I had to go to the bathroom like every 15 minutes…I left the table 3 times during this hot roll. The dealer let my one friend press my bets, collect my winnings, and put the money in my rail for me. I’ve never been to any other casino that allows that. I missed at least like 6 calls. Each time i came back i was surprised that the roll was going on and very relieved that the shooter didn’t seven out when i wasn’t their…Obviously if the dealer didn’t allow that, i would have just stuck around and waited, but i figured i’ll take advantage of it…
Not only that…their isn’t one dealer courtesy move that those dealers don’t know…For example, i like to drop a nickel for 26 on a 21 dollar pay out. Moves that in my opinion make it easier for the dealer to cut chips and press, plus gives me back the denominations that i want…Or when pressing form 150 to 240 on a 6 or 8, i drop 15 for 100 back…or drop two dollars to press from 30 to 42 on a 6 or 8..just a few i like to do..
Sometimes i like to drop a dollar to parlay a 10 dollar 5 or 9 to a quarter the first time its rolled. I dropped the dealer a dollar on a call of 9 and said “parlay”....The stick looked at me and in an intense manner said, “its called a press”...As if i said something to insult him and everyone else at the table…I may be wrong..but im pretty sure thats symantics. And even then, parlay would be more proper that just saying press right?
Also, how do you copy other peoples posts like you do…i need to learn that?
Out of everywhere i’ve played i would have to say caesars is by far the best casino as far as dealer courtesy and skill.
I don’t think I have ever played at Caesar’s Palace. I usually play downtown when I’m in LV. I do remember not being very impressed with a crew or two the last time I played at Tropicana even though that’s where I threw my first pair of dice some 40+ years ago.
Upon reflection I think I’d name Boomtown outside of Reno as having the best crew, although it’s been quite a while since I’ve played there. I’m basing that “award” on the fact that the dealers there not only paid my $24 lay odds behind 5|9 correctly the first time, a bet that trips up two dealers out of three (They try to pay me $18 instead of $16.), but they also learned my front-side progression quickly and paid my winning Come bets in two stacks so that I could leave one of them behind for my next bet. In fact I made all kinds of points with my dealer when she passed off the winnings I was going to rack, my wife asked why she had not given me all the cheques, and I said, “Because she’s a good dealer; she knows what I want to do next.”
lucky4688 - 25 March 2010 01:12 PM
Sometimes i like to drop a dollar to parlay a 10 dollar 5 or 9 to a quarter the first time its rolled. I dropped the dealer a dollar on a call of 9 and said “parlay”....The stick looked at me and in an intense manner said, “its called a press”...As if i said something to insult him and everyone else at the table…I may be wrong..but im pretty sure thats symantics. And even then, parlay would be more proper that just saying press right?
I think in that situation both “parlay” and “press” are correct. “Parlay” implies that all winnings are to be added to the original bet whereas “press” implies only part of them are. Come to think of it, though, perhaps the truly and technically correct term would be “power press”, which I believe exactly describes the move you made: add all winnings plus some more to the original bet. IMHO the stickman was being a bit anal, however, since only a crew like I encountered at Nevada Crossing would not know what you wanted to do.
> Also, how do you copy other peoples posts like you do…i need to learn that?
First you need to use the “Quote” button under the post to which you are replying instead of the “Post Reply” button at the end of the thread. (OK, if you’re doing it the way I just did then you can review the thread, and cut and paste the portions you want to include, but using the “Quote” button and deleting the parts you don’t want to include is easier.) What the “Quote” button does is copy the post you’re quoting into the message area and surround it with tags so that it will show up as who posted it and when. To break up the quote, as I did, so that you can match your comments to the parts of the original post to which they pertain you simply copy and paste the author/date and end-quote tags around the other parts you’re including.
I used a different technique, one common to Usenet, to include “Also, how do you ...” above. I still used the “Quote” button, but instead of copying and pasting the quote tags I highlighted what I was quoting and clicked the greater-than-“i”-less-than button on the tag bar at the top of the reply area to make what I am including appear in italics.
Upon reflection I think I’d name Boomtown outside of Reno as having the best crew, although it’s been quite a while since I’ve played there. I’m basing that “award” on the fact that the dealers there not only paid my $24 lay odds behind 5|9 correctly the first time, a bet that trips up two dealers out of three (They try to pay me $18 instead of $16.), ...
Upon reflection I think I’d name Boomtown outside of Reno as having the best crew, although it’s been quite a while since I’ve played there. I’m basing that “award” on the fact that the dealers there not only paid my $24 lay odds behind 5|9 correctly the first time, a bet that trips up two dealers out of three (They try to pay me $18 instead of $16.), ...
I checked out that link…ur situation with that payout is crazy..similiar to not knowing how to pay a $30 dollar buy bet on the five…I like how you dropped the extra two dollars for the crew, that was a good idea.
I only theoretically had to use the tapes to make a decision once…Not that long ago i was convinced that i had a 5 dollar fire bet. I was the shooter and when the roll was over i had rolled 4 numbers and going for my fifth, but never hit it. Either way, the roll had just ended and when i looked over i saw that their was only three dollars on it. My friend to my right made a faint comment about how he thought i had five dollars on it. I agreed with him. Not 20 seconds later the pit boss came by and whispered to the box. I knew she was referring to my bet because instantly i commented “that was a five dollar fire, not three, i dont know where three dollars came from”. Their was no hesitation and she said, “we just checked the tapes sir and you definately had a three dollar fire”. I took my 75 dollars and happily walked away with a slight come back for the session, however i do find it interesting that the tapes were being checked well before i even made a comment in the first place.
What does front line progression mean? You referred to come bets when using it..Keep in mind im a place bet player only so a lot of the fancy talk about the dont side and come bet strategies goes over my head..I feel i know the game, but i’m definately not versed in a lot of different strategies. I guess its safe to say im stuck in my ways.
40+ years of experience…wow..thats awesome. I"ve only been playing two years. So one thing maybe you could give me advice on. I normally bet the inside or across, whatever im feeling that day… But when im the shooter, i sometimes still get thrown off by establishing a point and then making a point. When im not the shooter i bypass the come out. So when i am throwing, pass line with odds for sure. But what throws me off is when the dealer moves the bets from the new point to the previous point, because obviously i dont have a bet on that number anymore. What i normally do, is just try and remember what value was on the previous number and drop money on the layout to get the last point to that value, and just take odds behind as close to whatever the new points place bet value was when i established it. I hope that makes sense. So for example. Lets say the point is a 6 right. I have a 10 dollar pass and 50 behind. I also have a 42 dollar 8. I hit my point and i get payed my 70 for my 60 dollar 6. The come out shows an 8. So the dealer moves my 42 dollars to the 6, which was my previous point, and i drop him 50 or 48, whatever i need to in order to make it look like 90, because i normally would have just had him press it to 90 right away if it wasnt my point. And then put like 30 dollars behind my pass line bet to get my 8, which is the point now, as close to 42 dollars invested, as i can and still be proper. Am i on the right track with this idea. I’m sure its preference, but i wasn’t sure if their is an easier way or a better way of progressing odds and keeping my bets straight. This is the same reason i dont “line place” my numbers anymore. Sure its nice to have player control and to be able to press quickly on a hunch, but dealer control is a lot easier to follow. If a point is made, i just tell them to press to whatever and stay up.
...ur situation with that payout [$24 lay no-5] is crazy..similiar to not knowing how to pay a $30 dollar buy bet on the five… .
Not quite IMHO. A $30 buy-5 pays the same as $30 odds on five; any dealer should know that payoff before being allowed on a live game, and I’ll wager a sizable sum a dealer with any experience has seen that odds bet many times. Not so with a $24 lay no-5; it’s an oddball and so even an experienced dealer might have to figure out the payoff instead of merely remembering it. For some reason 2/3 of the dealers get it wrong, rookies and veterans alike.
lucky4688 - 25 March 2010 10:48 PM
What does front line progression mean?
I actually said “front side progression” (emphasis added), as opposed to back (or wrong) side, which is the don’ts.
lucky4688 - 25 March 2010 10:48 PM
I normally bet the inside or across, whatever im feeling that day… But when im the shooter, i sometimes still get thrown off by establishing a point and then making a point. When im not the shooter i bypass the come out. So when i am throwing, pass line with odds for sure. But what throws me off is when the dealer moves the bets from the new point to the previous point, because obviously i dont have a bet on that number anymore.
What the dealer is doing is assuming you still want to cover the inside or across, whichever you had before. I’d be surprised if a dealer automatically moved your place bet the first time or two, but after “learning” that you continue to cover the inside or across I can see why he/she would skip asking you what you wanted to do with the place bet on what had become the point.
Another move that can be confusing is “off and on”. Suppose you have a come bet established on a number and you make another new come bet for the same amount. If the first number is thrown the dealer, rather than bringing your winning come bet down, paying it, then moving your new come bet to the point box, will simply pay your winning bet by heeling the chips on your new come bet and announcing you are off and on for the payoff. For example, you make a $5 come bet and get a point of 4. You take $10 odds and make a new $5 come bet. 4 rolls again. Rather than moving chips around an experienced dealer will assume you want to take $10 odds on the newly established come bet like you did on the first one and will plop $25 on your $5 bet in the come box, saying, “Off and on for 25.”
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