I’ve never seen a table as cold as this forum.  I know there’s a lot of dice players out there so where’s the love. Am I looking at the wrong bb? Is there a better one where there’s more participation?

Just sayin’......

Heavy has a very active board for a nominal fee (around $40), but you will find really good discussions going on by some serious players. You can find it at
http://axispower.proboards.com

Otherwise, start a topic here and others may jump in.

Just got back off Holiday . Did play a hand Yesterday , the ADOPTED COME PLAY(do pass) , it has some advantages over regular COME betting , at least it works for me and i have played it for a long time .

I play DONT PASS mostly (20x ODDS) ,when i do play DO PASS i use less odds(2x)

For enough to cover 10 shooters on a $5 table the take out for 2x odds plus ONE box number ($12)=$27 per shooter ($270)

I wait for a shooter to get a HIT , then bet the pass line , wait one roll before placing odds .(Mis Outs occur more ofen than does bucking a point—4X APROX)

On 3rd roll by the shooter i place the odds AND——

Instead of making a bet on the COME line , as done with NORMAL come betting i wait for a shooter to roll a number and then
make a COMBINED flat and Odds bet on THAT number (ADOPT IT)

I take advantage of NATURALS when they are rolled ON COME OUT FOR A POINT (7/11) .I parlay them (3 TO 1 PLAY )

Numbers rolled on a dice table do REPEAT themselves to some degree , so dont be alarmed if you see a 10 rolled then shooter make the 10.

I will be playing this game(Adopted Come)for 2 weeks (10 days) , perhaps i will have time to give you the plays BLOW BY BLOW if you care to read them and i find time to do so .
BEST-

DADOS

CORRECTION.

ON THE 3RD ROLL I PLACE THE ODDS -AND-  ALSO PLACE A COMBINED FLAT AND ODDS BET ON THE NUMBER ROLLED

Not sure what happened to this site I was glad to find it now it looks to be abandoned.

Dados,

“Instead of making a bet on the COME line , as done with NORMAL come betting i wait for a shooter to roll a number and then
make a COMBINED flat and Odds bet on THAT number (ADOPT IT)”

This is called a “put bet”....just make sure that you are getting the most out of your investment.  Put bets are nice when you don’t have to have a working come bet before you can take odds,  you can pick and choose what number you want to bet on, plus you get paid the first time the number is rolled.  However,  a 5 dollar flat with 10 dollars in odds on a 5 or 9 pays 20 dollars.  Place it for 15 and get payed 21.  5 dollar flat with 10 dollars in odds pays 25 on the 4 and 10.  Place it for 15 and get payed 27.  Just be careful because depending on the table minimum and the odds value allowed it may not be as adventageous to make put bets as you think.  Also,  you should account for the come out roll.  When making put bets the flat bet is still working on the come out roll.  So lets say you establish 3 put bets and 5 dollars a piece and a 7 is rolled. You lose 15 dollars and have to put the flats back up in order to be working again.  Thats why i leave a cushion when im making put bets.  For example,  a 5 or 9 right,  I dont make a put bet until 70 dollars in odds.  A 75 dollar investment when placed pays 105, and a 5 dollar put bet with 70 odds pays 110.  This way if i lose my flat im not going backwards…just something to think about…

feel free to invite your friends

I see little PUT to the ADOPTED COME bet unless you have PUT PUT PUT on your mind alone.

ADOPTED COME bet might also be called CONVERTED BET . it can be played WITH ot WITHOUT a pass line wager.
Granted (my experience) , the come bet has more merit thank PLACE or BUY bets .It does not mean mean there couldn’t be a better alternative .

By combining the advantages of the COME BET and the PLACE or BUY bets , thus the ADOPTED or CONVERTED BET .

Say the shooter rolls a CRAPS (you have a come line wager tagged for conversion)—- in normal come betting you would lose the FLAT portion OF your come bet.(Or approximately half of a full single odds come bet) By converting (adoption ) the come bet you can roll craps all day and not lose a chip.

Say the shooter now rolls the 11 (after craps took your previous come bet) , in normal Come betting you have ADVANTAGE to PARLAY, which l advise to do.(Your choice) A converted come Bet does not WIN ANYTHING (DISAVANTAGE) However we all know that there are 4 WAYS which CRAPS can be made , and only 2 WAYS in which the 11 can be made ! (This gives the converted come bet two to one advantage on crap rolls vs the 11 )

Here is another advantage in ADOPTING (converting) the come bet over NORMAL come betting. In normal come betting the FLAT or com line portion pays EVEN MONEY only the odds portion pays TRUE ODDS (put) In converted come betting the ENTIRE BET PAYS
eitherFULL place bet odds , in the case of the 4 or 10 full odds by paying the vig (5%)

For example: You make a normal single odds come bet of$25 and the shooter rolls a 10(a put?) , you take $25 in single odds , this make a total of $50 , the shooter makes the 10 you receive a total payoff of $125.

NOW make that same bet by CONVERTING the come bet , (a 10)——place bet(convert) the rolled 10 for $50 , or pay$2 commission.
Shooters make the 10 (put) you get either $140 or $150 payoff -not $125 as you do with NORMAL come betting .

PUT PUT

Dados correr el gallo con put

I know you ALL have seen what some call- COLD tables !(DO PASS)

I just got off one , VERY VERY COLD -if COLD means POINT then SEVEN OUT ! 11 TIMES IN A ROW !

The table was crowded when i took out my betting stake ( ADOPTED COME PLAY-ONE BOX NUMBER ADOPTION)
Therefore , i would be working 3 bets , the pass line plus odds and one CONVERTED come line number.
(To ADOPT or CONVERT you make a COMBINED FLAT & ODDS bet on the come line number that has been rolled)
All , i do mean ALL the players were grumbling (Worse some f——to ) MOSTLY GOING TO THE POCKET FOR MONEY.

I LOST NOTHING !  YES- I WAS READY AT ALL TIMES TO MAKE A LAYDOWN-(PLAY) I DID NOT GET THE OPORTUNITY.

I learned dice from Sam Grafstein , a very very good professional Player (Made a living from the dice tables).
Sam would wait for a shooter to make a point or throw a natural before placing a bet. I found this to be good advise ,IF YOU CAN TAKE THE STEAM! ( good hand shows-etc-etc)

I also found (My own abservations) that mis outs occur about 4 times more often than does bucking a point. It works to save the odds IF YOU CAN TAKE THE STEAM( I recently had six 5’s bucked in a ROW ! Threw a 5 made it, threw another 5 made it, etc, etc, etc,etc—.
However , for the many years i have used this move i find it worthwhile at the POCKETS .
In the DO PASS game to make money what the player is looking for is a SERIES of passes to make money , therefore hold on to as many chips as you can (less pocket pull) when a good hand does SHOW you have PROFIT . (You are now playing for KEEPS)

Never USE your PALM TREES (Across the board or more than 2 numbers)to chase the HOUSE for a net win of a few dollars—LET THE house CHASE your PEANUT (adopted come play)with their PALM TREES or ENTIRE Casino Bankroll !

(Progressive increase(50%) of winning wagers (FLAT & ODDS)is necessary to destroy the house )
(Newbie)By HOUSE i mean CASINO-not the HOUSE OF DAVID , even with NATHAN SHAKING you wont be able to do that .

When you do CRUSH the house REMEMBER- you won it the HARDWAY-
LET THEM GET IT BACK THE HARDWAY !!

I have seen winning players apologize to the HOUSE for winning ?
A professional Dice player( UNLIKE THE WORLD TO COME ) shows NO MERCY on the house when they win, if a good hand shows they will WALK AWAY WITH THE CRAP TABLE AND THE CASINO (2 SHOW GIRLS)
It is Best for the HOUSE , IF A MONSTER HAND SHOWS ,that I or other good player be in the LATRINE-DROOLING OUT THE RECTUM !

yES , I WAIT FOR A SHOOTER TO GET A HIT(THROW A NATURAL OR MAKE A POINT)
Yes i wait for the 3d roll( not with come line betting) to place odds .
Yes , i parlay all naturals on comeout roll for a point.(3 for 1 )
Yes , i know that the PASS LINE BETwill out perform a box number bet.
Yes , i know that the largest headstones in the Dice BRICK WALL graveyard near Searchlight , Nevada are those of the DO PASS 6& 8 players , a play that has BROKE more crapshooters than all the other numbers on the dice table COMBINED !
Yes , i know that if you avoid(DONT PASS) the 6& 8 , Pick it up or call no action- that the HOUSE , Yes the House-will CUT YOU A BRAND NEW ASSHOLE .
YES , I KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU USE STOP LOSS MOVES(DONT PASS)YOU WILL (CAREERWISE)NEVER FAULT THIS ACTION.
YES , I KNOW (DONT PASS ) THAT YOU MUST BE LIKE THE CONG—-“TAKE THE STEAM”!
YES , I KNOW THAT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY A PROFESSIONAL PLAYS DICE VS A DEALER OR EXPERIENCED PLAYER. (It is the stop loss moves that get the money)

A Professional DOES fluctuate his betting, depending on the size of his gambling bankroll(Patience or NOTpushing the dice is a part of keeps), they seldom if ever go broke , he has learned form experience THAT dimes WILL BECOME DOLLARS when the dice or cards turn for him,provided he plays for KEEPS , LUCK is fine if you know what to do with it , MOMEY MANAGEMENT is better , IT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU SHOULD DO!
Sam Grafstein (1937)

If any of my words have offended you i offer my apology to you .(Dados)
I wont be bloging much again ( nearing 90 ) , i do hope my methods of dice play work for you as they have or me for more than 65 years .  I thank you too for dice tips , i can see now that you are never to old to learn .

I do belive, without any offense , that there are too many Dice books on the market , books with correct odds on every play- BUT-NO INFORMATION.
Many times i meet a player at the dice table who bought my frst Dice book,(1995) i know what PUNCH to expect !(the sneaky 100% winning wager guaranteed !) From THE 600 sold,  i never received any complaints or asked to make a refund , MAKES ME BELIEVE I DID GIVE THEM SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE DICE GAME.

DADOS

tercol58 - 09 April 2010 02:35 AM

Not sure what happened to this site I was glad to find it now it looks to be abandoned.

I would not be too quick to write it off.  Even during its heyday rec.gambling.craps had periods of inactivity.  I suspect the state of the economy, in the U.S. at any rate, may be having an impact on people’s interest in gambling.

lucky4688 - 09 April 2010 08:10 AM

Dados,

“Instead of making a bet on the COME line , as done with NORMAL come betting i wait for a shooter to roll a number and then make a COMBINED flat and Odds bet on THAT number (ADOPT IT)”

This is called a “put bet”.

I’m never really sure what Brother Dados is talking about, but given that he says he gets three bets working after qualifying a shooter I don’t think he makes a put bet when adopting a number; rather he makes a place/buy bet on that number for the amount for which he would make a come+odds bet.  For example, suppose, after a shooter makes one pass, he makes a $5 Pass Line bet.  As I understand it he waits a roll, and if the shooter doesn’t whiff he adds $10 odds to his Line bet (bet #2) and adopts whatever number has rolled, or waits for another point number to roll, and makes a $15/$18 place bet on it (bet #3).  If he made a put bet with odds then to be consistent, certainly not a requirement but logical nonetheless, then I should think he would say he had four bets working.

The Midnight Skulker - 12 April 2010 07:45 PM

tercol58 - 09 April 2010 02:35 AM

Not sure what happened to this site I was glad to find it now it looks to be abandoned.

I would not be too quick to write it off.  Even during its heyday rec.gambling.craps had periods of inactivity.  I suspect the state of the economy, in the U.S. at any rate, may be having an impact on people’s interest in gambling.

Maybe so… I was in Tunica this past weekend.  The Gold Strike and Horseshoe were not as crowded as they usually are on the weekends.