Been having very good success with this on wincraps. Im very close to trying it live and wanted to get some feedback.

This strategy uses no odds.. just flat passline and dont pass bets.
Step 1
$10 on the Dont pass.. if lose goto step 2. If win repeat bet
Step 2
$25 Passline bet.. if lose goto step 3. If win back to step 1.
Step 3
$50 Dont pass.. if lose continue martingale bets switching lines each bet.
Pretty much: Dont, Do,Dont,Do,Dont,Do ect ect…

*note: comeout wins/losses via naturals counts as wins/loses*

I’ve used this amount on wincraps until I reach about $1500 then increase Step 1 bet to $25 and kept progressing my step 1 bet as my bankroll
continued to climb.

Seems kinda crazy.. but craps is such a streaky game.. im sure most of us have seen 6+ points get hit in a row. I’ve been sent home packing a few times betting the
donts when someone gets really hot. Have seen the reverse too.. 3 people 7 out on the first roll and then its 6+ different shooters before someone makes a point. This strat
takes advantage of both streaks.. The exact opposite needs to happen to bust your bankroll.. which certainly can happen.. but so far im really liking this strategy.

Cheers

Flash - 24 April 2010 05:07 PM

Been having very good success with this on wincraps. Im very close to trying it live and wanted to get some feedback.

Are you just using WinCraps to play manually, or did you make an auto-bet file and really test it?

Flash - 24 April 2010 05:07 PM

This strategy uses no odds.. just flat passline and dont pass bets.
Step 1
$10 on the Dont pass.. if lose goto step 2. If win repeat bet
Step 2
$25 Passline bet.. if lose goto step 3. If win back to step 1.
Step 3
$50 Dont pass.. if lose continue martingale bets switching lines each bet.
Pretty much: Dont, Do,Dont,Do,Dont,Do ect ect…

*note: comeout wins/losses via naturals counts as wins/loses*

I’ve used this amount on wincraps until I reach about $1500 then increase Step 1 bet to $25 and kept progressing my step 1 bet as my bankroll
continued to climb.

Seems kinda crazy.. but craps is such a streaky game.. im sure most of us have seen 6+ points get hit in a row. I’ve been sent home packing a few times betting the
donts when someone gets really hot. Have seen the reverse too.. 3 people 7 out on the first roll and then its 6+ different shooters before someone makes a point. This strat
takes advantage of both streaks.. The exact opposite needs to happen to bust your bankroll.. which certainly can happen.. but so far im really liking this strategy.

Cheers

Of course, this suffers from the usual Martingale “bete noir” - a huge loss. Also, since you are making relatively large flat bets, you have a large expected loss to deal with.

You should not draw any conclusions from WinCraps sessions any more than live ones. To get the value out of WinCraps you need to set up sessions in auto-betting and run thousands of them. Then you can see the distribution of outcomes, what your actual chances of busting, winning $n, etc. are.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

Well.. I hold no illusions that any system of betting can hold out to the test of thousands of rolls.  I also understand that just about any betting system can work some of the time.
I have been testing this out manually, I have no skill at creating auto-bet files.

Certainly not a fan of martingale betting.. but the switching back and forth from pass to DP seemed interesting to me.
I’ve also considered this strategy playing roulette.. using odd/even or red/black alternating back and forth.. problem with roulette though is most table maximums i’ve seen is $200 for roulette.. very easy to hit the limit and screw yourself.

Back to craps.. I’ve also been thinking of a loss limit for this strategy. It certainly has happend to me during testing this that i’ve hit the wall.. though it doesnt seem to happen very often. Taking a loss and restarting the series and seeing how feasible it is to recover from that loss is my next test.

Flash - 26 April 2010 12:00 PM

Well.. I hold no illusions that any system of betting can hold out to the test of thousands of rolls.  I also understand that just about any betting system can work some of the time.
I have been testing this out manually, I have no skill at creating auto-bet files.

Certainly not a fan of martingale betting.. but the switching back and forth from pass to DP seemed interesting to me.
I’ve also considered this strategy playing roulette.. using odd/even or red/black alternating back and forth.. problem with roulette though is most table maximums i’ve seen is $200 for roulette.. very easy to hit the limit and screw yourself.

Back to craps.. I’ve also been thinking of a loss limit for this strategy. It certainly has happend to me during testing this that i’ve hit the wall.. though it doesnt seem to happen very often. Taking a loss and restarting the series and seeing how feasible it is to recover from that loss is my next test.

Did you read my “Five Guys” post? Any system involving increasing wagers after a loss is going to create a left skew, which means more winning than losing sessions, but larger losses. This is just the opposite of systems that progress bets after a win - more losing sessions but larger wins. It depends on what you’re looking for.

As far as switching back and forth, there is no reason to do this, or not to do it. You are chasing a pattern of WLWLWLWL for the dice, whereas when you just bet one side or the other it doesn’t matter in what order the decisions come, just the balance, or W-L percentage. For any given session, one will work best, but you can never know in advance.

Although the edge is low for pass/DP, you are still exposing ALL of your money to that edge when you do not take or lay odds.
Cheers,
Alan Shank