Hello Everybody,

I am new to this site, and happy to be on board with the fiery discussions you all seem to be having.  The truth about casino craps and how to make the most profit always lies in the gambler.  What I mean by this is, of course, before you can even consider what betting system or strategy you wish to employ at the tables, you must first employ discipline.  And I don’t mean behaving yourself in school.

I am talking about the learned ability to play with persistant tenacity for the game in order to turn a profit session in your favor.  No matter how much you discuss which play is the best, or which bet can’t be beat, nothing is more important that the player’s own ability to see beyond the haze and excitement of the game and buckle down and get to the nitty-gritty, which is to win.

Win at all costs, and win everytime.  Globally, I am aware of only a handfull of professional craps players that seem to do it right almost all of the time.  But losing is not beyond them.  Losing is what Vegas was built on.  There will always be losing.  But how can you lose the least?  Can you win more than you lose?  Are you disciplined enough?

Then can you take on the humdrum and litigation of defending whichever strategy you want?  And truely, any and every system will work some of the time, and there are very few systems that work all of the time.

This way, a good craps player will recognize a table trend and employ the proper strategy per that current trend.  Clean up, rack a profit, and go enjoy the rest of your day.  And make sure you enjoy it, because you have to win again tomorrow.

Keep posting.  I am interested in what you all have to write about.

- Dice Class

diceclass - 25 April 2010 09:18 AM

Hello Everybody,

This way, a good craps player will recognize a table trend and employ the proper strategy per that current trend.  Clean up, rack a profit, and go enjoy the rest of your day.  And make sure you enjoy it, because you have to win again tomorrow.
- Dice Class

This is, of course, nonsense.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

goatcabin - 26 April 2010 11:14 AM

diceclass - 25 April 2010 09:18 AM

Hello Everybody,

This way, a good craps player will recognize a table trend and employ the proper strategy per that current trend.  Clean up, rack a profit, and go enjoy the rest of your day.  And make sure you enjoy it, because you have to win again tomorrow.
- Dice Class

This is, of course, nonsense.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

Sad but true.. Sure there are streaks (trends) in craps.. but those streaks are just chance and can change at any second.

Best thing to remember.. anything can and will happen in craps.

Hello all,

Glad to see there are still those who read and reply.

Unfortuantely, table trends occur, and occur quite vigorously should you be paying attention.  This is not nonsense.  It happens, and can be proven.  Do not label a thought as nonsense without the proper proof of your claim. 

Do you believe table trends do not exist? 

- Dice Class

diceclass - 26 April 2010 02:39 PM

Hello all,

Glad to see there are still those who read and reply.

Unfortuantely, table trends occur, and occur quite vigorously should you be paying attention.  This is not nonsense.  It happens, and can be proven.  Do not label a thought as nonsense without the proper proof of your claim. 

Do you believe table trends do not exist? 
- Dice Class

A “trend” can be defined and identified, in the past. IOW, if I wanted to, I could keep track of the sequence of passes/not passes at a table; however, at any point in time the current “trend”, if any, gives NO INFORMATION about the next roll, decision or series of decisions. The only exception to this would be, if you believe it is possible, a shooter with the ability to alter the distribution of dice outcomes by setting the dice and tossing them in such a way that they do not leave their axis of rotation, despite hitting the table and the pyramids on the back wall.

Cheers,
Alan Shank

It be foolish to suggest that trends dont exist.. however, that trend can change the moment you decide to jump in. It’s all chance. Tables can certainly be hot or cold or choppy.. theres just no way to predict for how long those “trends” will continue.

Every time I play there is a trend. Hot, cold or choppy.  You just never know which way it will go.  I just hope it goes my way.  lol

Ahh… now you are beginning to understand.  Dice Control is the name of the game, and can indeed influence a table trend if employed properly.  And yes, I do believe one can impact the outcome of a random roll of two dice in a casino setting designed to negate such an effect… but only through long, consistant practice.

Also, the dice controller needs to employ a betting strategy combined with money management rules to be profitable.

- Dice Class

diceclass - 25 April 2010 09:18 AM

The truth about casino craps and how to make the most profit always lies in the gambler.  What I mean by this is, of course, before you can even consider what betting system or strategy you wish to employ at the tables, you must first employ discipline.

Casinos are designed to encourage players to stay and play games designed to separate those players from their money.  Consequently, discipline is a good thing to have to avoid being separated from more money than one can afford to be separated from.  When choosing a betting strategy, however, the first thing one must do IMHO is to determine what factors will maximize one’s enjoyment of the gambling experience.  Yes, yes; with the possible exception of compulsive gamblers we all want to win, but like Vince Lombardi once said, is that the only thing?  Only the most naive believe they can beat the games with a system.

The strategy one chooses (progressing, regressing, hedging, etc.) determines what Alan Shank calls the shape of possible futures.  For example, winning progressions, like the 50% increase on wins dados suggests, accept frequent but hopefully relatively small losses in return for the rare bonanza, while losing progressions, like a Martingale, do the opposite.  Once one has matched one’s goals (playing time, frequency of ecstasy, magnitude of ecstasy when it is achieved, etc.) to the strategy that will provide the greatest chance of reaching those goals, then the discipline to stick to that strategy and the (money management) discipline to give it up when the strategy is failing come into play.

From your other posts I gather you are a dice controller (aka rhythmic roller, precision shooter, derandomizer, etc.).  I therefore presume that for you winning really is the only thing and that you are willing to put in the time and effort to develop a skill that may cost more to acquire than it returns, and that casinos may prevent you from using.  I wish you well, but caution you to maintain the discipline not to assume you have that skill prior to obtaining statistically significant results.