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Any up comming trips???
Posted: 13 August 2010 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I have 3 good casino trips before the end of labor day:

- August 20th - 22nd I will be in WV and will hit the Mardis Gras Casino in Charleston, WV. I have cashed out very well there in 3 previous visits to play craps. 

- Agust 24th - 26th I will be in Vegas for a “business trip” staying at the Hard Rock.  I should be able to work in several sessions when I am not “working”.

- Labor Weekend - the wife and I are driving to Louisiana for a wedding and are going to stop in Biloxi for a night on the way back.  Will have my host in Vegas hook me up with a room at HR in Biloxi.  I have only played craps once in Biloxi and did not fair well, hopefully I can right that wrong this trip.

How bout you all - any trips planned in the near future?

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Posted: 14 August 2010 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I stayed at Harrah’s on New Year’s at the coming of the new millenium. Hate to tell you what the room rates were that New Years eve in all of Vegas. Harrah’s on the strip is OK but nothing special. Have nothing bad to say about it. Luke-warm about it. Fairly
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Posted: 15 August 2010 11:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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A friend and I are heading up to Reno September 13-15, probably to stay at Harrah’s, play at various casinos.
I will report.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

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Posted: 19 August 2010 01:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Getting ready to head to WV for “leg 1” of my upcoming trips - I will report back on how it went.

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Posted: 19 August 2010 03:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Parlay a hardway 3 times Alan Shank. You will win, I swear it.

Good luck to all at the tables


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Posted: 23 August 2010 01:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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UPDATE 1 -

Went to the Mardis Gras Casino in Charleston, WV on Saturday night. 

Arrive at 8:00PM and they only had one $10.00 table took me about 15 minutes to get a spot.  Everyone was complaining and the “boss” said another table was scheduled to be open but they were have staffing issues.  Boy was he right - every employee around that table had a horrible attitude and the dealers were SUPER SLOW.  It took on average 3 -5 minutes to make all the bets.  Many, many, many missed bets and the suit never covered a one!  One time in particular all 8 of us on our side of the table heard the bet - suit wouldnt cover it. 

I bought in light at $750 went down about 300 real quick in 3 shooters.  I get the dice make a point - hit three place numbers - seven out.

Next shooter was good - real good, he knew what he was doing keep the dice roughly 35 minutes (should have got about twice the rolls in that time).  He made me roughly 700.  I could have capitolized more on his roll but the flow of the table was ruined by the attitude and speed of the dealers.  It was tough to keep my concentration.  When he sevened out I had - had enough and walked.

Leaving for Vegas tomorrow AM- update to follow.

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Posted: 17 September 2010 04:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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goatcabin - 15 August 2010 11:17 AM

A friend and I are heading up to
Reno September 13-15, probably to stay at Harrah’s, play at various casinos. I
will report. Cheers, Alan Shank

OK, so my buddy Paul and I drove up to Reno last Monday and checked into
Harrah’s around 3 PM. The rooms were in the East Tower, $60/night, two queen
beds, no smoking, no fridge or microwave, but comfortable and quiet.

We got a bite to eat in the Cafe Napa (coffee shop) and went in search of a
craps table. We found two not open and one very crowded. Minimum was $5, 3, 4,
5X odds, no triple on the Field bet.

We watched for a while, then I squeezed in and bought in for $200. Paul is a big guy and couldn’t find a spot for a while. After I had played a while, somebody left and the other end and Paul bought in. It was up and down for me, but Paul was hitting some hardways and was up a bit. The dice were coming around to me when they replaced the table sign with a $10-minimum sign; it was 5:30. I was the first shooter after the increase, so I went ahead and rolled and made a couple of points before sevening out and leaving the table down about $30, $10 of it in tokes. Paul, OTOH, doubled his bankroll. Most of the dealers were wearing football jerseys in honor of the first Monday Night Football game of the regular season. They were all competent and friendly, and it was a full crew, including boxman.

Harrah’s, of course, is HUGE, with casino areas on both sides of Center St, connected by a skyway. I kept getting lost. Paul likes to bet the races, so we went to the race/sports book section and he made a couple of bets. They had dog races as well as quarter-horse and thoroughbred racing. Almost all of the major-league baseball games were on, as well, of course, as the football game.

We ate dinner at the Cafe Napa, then headed over to Cal Neva, another huge place on both sides of the street. We almost gave up looking for a craps table, but finally found one, almost empty. There were just two dealers, one of them handling the stick. Play was $3 min, 345X. I bought in for $160. As I recall, I started out at 2X odds, an occasional horn-high 12, $1 12 or two-way $1 hardway bet, whereas Paul was betting $5 yo, $5 hard eight and sometimes covering the other hardways for $1 each. When you play aggressively and are having good luck, you win more than someone betting roughly parallel but at a lower level, and we had good luck. I won about $180 and Paul won over $400. Later on, they had a full crew; the dealers were very good and friendly, and as we came back there three times over the next two days, we got on a first-name basis with them.

We headed down the street to the Silver Legacy ($5, 345X) and played for a while down there. Here again, Paul won some yo’s and hardways, while I lost about $50.

Finally, we hit the El Dorado, and it was a quick $100 loss for each of us, telling us to call it a day. We went back to Harrah’s, watched TV and had a drink.

The next morning I took a nice 35-minute walk past the Reno Aces’ ballpark, a very nice Pacific Coast League park, then along both sides of the Truckee river and back downtown. I noticed the Sands Regency a few blocks away.

Paul and I then had breakfast and went back over to Cal Neva, where we had a real good session; I bought in for $100 and left with $280, dropping around $15 in tokes. Paul also won at least as much as that.

We walked down to the Sands and had lunch at Mel’s diner. They have a big sign near the craps table advertising 10X odds. When we got to the table, there was just one dealer working and no players. They had an insert with rubber pyramids that cut off the last third of the table, so the one dealer could handle everything. We ended up placing our own prop bets. IIRC, I started out at 3, 4, 5X odds, but also placed the 6 and 8. When I won one of those place bets, I put the red chip on my odds, so I financed additional odds with place-bet winnings. Paul was making a couple of come bets and putting around 5X odds on them, so while I was winning $7 on a six or eight, he might be making $35 on the same roll. I think he made a few max odds bets before we were done. After a while, some other players showed up and they took out the insert and got another dealer working. When we colored up, I had $330 ($200 buyin) and Paul had a lot more.

One of the things I wanted to do while up there was to win a $1 twelve or two and parlay it, but I never managed to win one of those. I won a $5 horn-high 12 and pressed it to $10, but it lost. One time, Paul and I both hit a $5 yo twice in a row; too bad we didn’t parlay that!

We played two more sessions that day; I won around $55 at the Sands and lost $35 at the Cal Neva. At the Cal Neva, Paul was almost out of cheques when I left, but when I got back he must have had $300 in his rack. I think he hit a $15 hard eight in there somewhere.

We ate at the Joy Luck Noodle Bar - yum, yum!

Wednesday morning I didn’t have breakfast, just some coffee and a croissant, while Paul went to the Cafe Napa. I called him later, and he was at Cal Neva playing, so I went over there and bought in for $100, lost it quickly.

Ran out of room, so I’ll continue in another post.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

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Posted: 17 September 2010 04:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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We checked out of Harrah’s, jumped in my car and drove to the Sands for a final session, taking another crack at those 10X odds. I bought in for $210, $10 in singles. My plan was to bet $1 12 or 2 once per shooter and parlay if I won. I made nothing else except $5 passline, starting at 3, 4, 5X odds; the plan was to increase the odds gradually as I got ahead. This was my “pure” session - no place bets, no hardways. The table was choppy; I get behind, then caught up, back and forth, back and forth. Paul was really suffering from the come bets with full odds, because while I would lose $20-$30 on a seven out, he was losing $150 or so. He finally gave up, but I kept playing, determined to go all the way. I got another 10 singles and went through those, never hitting a 2 or 12. I did make one horn-high 12 and won, which bought me some more time; I pressed it to $10, but it lost. I had one decent roll, making two nines and a five, but then the point-sevens finally wiped me out. My last $20 went $5 on the pass line and $15 for odds on the four - “seven-out, line away”.

We found a Vietnamese restaurant and had a nice lunch, curried chicken with lemon grass and some spring rolls, then gassed up and headed home.

Paul said he covered the trip expenses plus over $400 profit, while I made most of my trip expenses, so it was almost like a free vacation.

If I could analyze all of our bets, I’m sure that Paul had substantially more expected loss than I, but he experienced considerable positive variance on the bets with the highest HAs and payoffs. He made a lot on hardways and yo’s. Once or twice, he had a two-way $5 hard eight hit, so the dealers loved him!

Suppose you have two players making bets such that:

Player 1 ev: -$100 SD: $1500
Player 2 ev:  -$75 SD:  $  800

They both experience good luck to the tune of one-third of a standard deviation, so their outcomes are:

Player 1 1/3 * 1500 = 500 - 100 = +$400
Player 2 1/3 *  800 = 267 -  75 = +$192

If both players experience positive variance amounting to .036 of a standard deviation, they will come out even, both losing $45-$50. If their luck is better than that, player 1 does better; if their luck is worse, player 1 loses more.

It sure was nice to play craps with real dice; it will be hard to go back out to Cache Creek. I saw a couple of players who set the dice, but both just tossed them down the table after carefully setting them. I saw no one trying to make a “controlled” throw and keep the dice on axis.

Since I was with my friend Paul, who plays nothing but rightside craps, I did not try by Don’t Come method at all.

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

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Posted: 19 September 2010 07:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Excellent report and details, really enjoyed reading it!

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goatcabin - 17 September 2010 04:08 PM

We checked out of Harrah’s, jumped in my car and drove to the Sands for a final session, taking another crack at those 10X odds. I bought in for $210, $10 in singles. My plan was to bet $1 12 or 2 once per shooter and parlay if I won. I made nothing else except $5 passline, starting at 3, 4, 5X odds; the plan was to increase the odds gradually as I got ahead. This was my “pure” session - no place bets, no hardways. The table was choppy; I get behind, then caught up, back and forth, back and forth. Paul was really suffering from the come bets with full odds, because while I would lose $20-$30 on a seven out, he was losing $150 or so. He finally gave up, but I kept playing, determined to go all the way. I got another 10 singles and went through those, never hitting a 2 or 12. I did make one horn-high 12 and won, which bought me some more time; I pressed it to $10, but it lost. I had one decent roll, making two nines and a five, but then the point-sevens finally wiped me out. My last $20 went $5 on the pass line and $15 for odds on the four - “seven-out, line away”.

We found a Vietnamese restaurant and had a nice lunch, curried chicken with lemon grass and some spring rolls, then gassed up and headed home.

Paul said he covered the trip expenses plus over $400 profit, while I made most of my trip expenses, so it was almost like a free vacation.

If I could analyze all of our bets, I’m sure that Paul had substantially more expected loss than I, but he experienced considerable positive variance on the bets with the highest HAs and payoffs. He made a lot on hardways and yo’s. Once or twice, he had a two-way $5 hard eight hit, so the dealers loved him!

Suppose you have two players making bets such that:

Player 1 ev: -$100 SD: $1500
Player 2 ev:  -$75 SD:  $  800

They both experience good luck to the tune of one-third of a standard deviation, so their outcomes are:

Player 1 1/3 * 1500 = 500 - 100 = +$400
Player 2 1/3 *  800 = 267 -  75 = +$192

If both players experience positive variance amounting to .036 of a standard deviation, they will come out even, both losing $45-$50. If their luck is better than that, player 1 does better; if their luck is worse, player 1 loses more.

It sure was nice to play craps with real dice; it will be hard to go back out to Cache Creek. I saw a couple of players who set the dice, but both just tossed them down the table after carefully setting them. I saw no one trying to make a “controlled” throw and keep the dice on axis.

Since I was with my friend Paul, who plays nothing but rightside craps, I did not try by Don’t Come method at all.

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

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