Greatest 7 Shooter in the World - 07 February 2012 12:35 PM

You ever notice how tax return information is released to the media for celebs and Bill Gates ETC ETC but they never release how they got that information

Nope, never have seen it. Gates and his foundation release much of their own information, some of it obligatory and some of it voluntary. Got any others where it’s really been leaked?

cohiba3 - 07 February 2012 07:20 PM

TMZ!  That’s funny.

man those mofo’s at TMZ will have all the info on you quick.

Greatest 7 Shooter in the World - 07 February 2012 09:12 PM

man those mofo’s at TMZ will have all the info on you quick.

I would have to see some sort of evidence of that to even start believing it.

Sancho I would bet the casinos get the information just as easy as the police departments and other gov agencies.  As large as these corps are i have no doubt in my mind they have back channel connections to anyone’s info at any time.  Secondly they would be fully backed in doing so by the Nevada state gov. 

Everyone knows if you get caught stealing from the casinos you get a max sentence in NV.  That state loves there highest tax revenue cash cow and would do anything to protect it.  And if they do this legal or not it is just good business to know who can turn your lights out, who is a “fake” high roller, big time new money, or who used to be flush with cash and is flat broke these days looking for a free long weekend on the house. 

Free Jets, cars, suites, entertainment is all not free. And don’t think for a minute these guys are not going to have the latest financial information on the guys they are giving this stuff to.

Greatest 7 Shooter in the World - 07 February 2012 09:12 PM

cohiba3 - 07 February 2012 07:20 PM

TMZ!  That’s funny.

man those mofo’s at TMZ will have all the info on you quick.

Didn’t realize you were TMZ worthy, my bad!

If you go up to the table and keep you transactions under $10,000, don’t ask to be rated or hand in your players’ club card and don’t establish a line of credit, the casino doesn’t even have much of a way to know who you are—no less obtain your 1040.

Sancho Panza - 08 February 2012 01:29 PM

If you go up to the table and keep you transactions under $10,000, don’t ask to be rated or hand in your players’ club card and don’t establish a line of credit, the casino doesn’t even have much of a way to know who you are—no less obtain your 1040.

I totally agree, but then again you will not get the free stuff.  That’s why they push people so hard to get a players card.  They want to know who they are dealing with.

Greatest 7 Shooter in the World - 09 February 2012 03:58 AM

I totally agree, but then again you will not get the free stuff.  That’s why they push people so hard to get a players card.  They want to know who they are dealing with.

So then the information is not being secreted or leaked out. It’s part of the player’s dossier, usually given by the player himself or with his approval, in order to be treated like a big-shot high roller to be showered with “Free Jets, cars, suites, entertainment,” which, as you say: “is all not free. And don’t think for a minute these guys are not going to have the latest financial information on the guys they are giving this stuff to.” Not that much underhanded or sneaky stuff going on here, if you ask me.

Well that’s what i have been saying since i made the comment in the first place.

What kinds of comps are you (generic) looking to get??  Based on what I am reading from those who have posted their buy-ins and play, LV is screwing you royally. 

It would seem to me that there are various gaming travel outlets that will be able to evaluate your play and provide real comps for travel, hotel, and meals. 

Your “rewards” cards do not provide much of anything for table play.  You need to start letting the powers that be in Vegas know that with over 550 casinos available to you countrywide, that you feel unappreciated and will start playing elsewhere. 

Down here in the southeast, virtually all the casinos offer free rooms and meals, and many have deals with gaming travel outlets for either free air or highly reduced fares based on your “score.” 

Do some homework and investigation and really get rewarded.

falcon

Been seeing some of the comps the Seminoles are handing their players in South Florida. How about 18 free drinks spread out for the whole month of February! (their shoddy sealed mailers were opening in the mail) That’s right 18 coupons for a free drink, some for one day some two. Sounds Mickey Mouse to you? Well it is Florida and there ain’t much competition!

I hate to admit this, but I see floor personnel consistently shorting a players rate. There doesn’t seem to be a real solid reason except perhaps the floor and the players shorted have a history of bad blood. I do remember back in the day before players cards and comp formulas that a lot of old school bosses would only tally the the ‘line bet, the flat bet on the Come and the flat portion of the Place bets when they were estimating a players action for the shift report. I always assumed it was the fact that neither the player or the house had a % on the odds portions of those bets. The reason generally that you don’t get credited in a timely manner is that your action isn’t logged into the system until the following shift(sometimes later). It’s never a bad idea to ask what you’re play is tracked at. (The length of session and the average bet). The amount of your buy-ins doesn’t seem relevant to your comp rate here in Nevada, but they do keep an eye out that you haven’t went over $3000 in a business day, if so they need to fill out a couple of tax forms. This is mainly done to slow down anyone laundering ill gotten loot.

“flat portion of the Place bets”? I trust you mean “Put” bets???

No. Okay, for example, the components of a $6 place bet are in reality $1 “flat” which pays even money and a $5 portion which pays true odds of $6 to $5 for a payoff total of $7. Another example. Say you have a $10 place on the 4. The “flat” is $2 and the other $8 pays off true odds of 2 to 1 for $16 + $2 “flat” for a total of $18. That’s how place bets were configured when they were invented and became an integral part of the game. When I broke in, many moons ago, we were trained to handle place bets in this fashion. I’m sure you’ve seen dealers offset a portion of the place 6 & 8. That’s the “flat” part of the wager and all the dealer needs to do is multiply the"flat” times 7 to figure out the payoff. Additionally, if the player makes a full press when hitting a bet, the dealer simply hands off the “flat” to the customer and incorporates the entire payoff atop the remainder to come up with place bet that’s exactly double of the previous wager. Sabe?

rudeboy99 - 06 March 2012 02:58 AM

No. Okay, for example, the components of a $6 place bet are in reality $1 “flat” which pays even money and a $5 portion which pays true odds of $6 to $5 for a payoff total of $7. Another example. Say you have a $10 place on the 4. The “flat” is $2 and the other $8 pays off true odds of 2 to 1 for $16 + $2 “flat” for a total of $18. That’s how place bets were configured when they were invented and became an integral part of the game.

That’s how Place bets were configured when they were invented, huh?  I don’t think I’ve ever heard that, but I guess it’s at least possible that it’s true.  Interesting that the supposed “flat” portion is always equal to the number of units.

rudeboy99 - 06 March 2012 02:58 AM

When I broke in, many moons ago, we were trained to handle place bets in this fashion.

IMHO, that seems like a really inefficient way to get dealers to learn payouts.  $20 Place bet on the 5… ok, that’s four units, so $4 flat… $20 - $4 = $16… $16 should pay $24… $24 + $4 = $28.  “$28, same bet sir?... What was the call again?”  I prefer the method of figuring out the number of units, multiplying that number by two, then adding it to the bet.

rudeboy99 - 06 March 2012 02:58 AM

I’m sure you’ve seen dealers offset a portion of the place 6 & 8. That’s the “flat” part of the wager and all the dealer needs to do is multiply the"flat” times 7 to figure out the payoff. Additionally, if the player makes a full press when hitting a bet, the dealer simply hands off the “flat” to the customer and incorporates the entire payoff atop the remainder to come up with place bet that’s exactly double of the previous wager. Sabe?

Again, I believe it’s much simpler to add the cap to the bet to calculate the payout for the 6/8.  But most importantly, neither calculating the payoffs nor doing full press moves work with improper caps such as $54 and $102 Place bets on the 6/8.