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Dice control is complete bullshit. I have been practicing for a couple years. I have also been losing large amount of money. All I have for advise is don’t play to win; play to lose because dice control is a sham. Actually, don’t even play, blackjack would probably bring you a stronger return.
Dice control is one aspect…. the betting is the other.
You obviously quit when you run out of money, but do you walk out of the casino when you won money? Are you risking more than 1% of your bankroll on any one turn?
Dice control is complete bullshit. I have been practicing for a couple years. I have also been losing large amount of money. All I have for advise is don’t play to win; play to lose because dice control is a sham. Actually, don’t even play, blackjack would probably bring you a stronger return.
BTW - you also purchased the GTC dvd’s on Dice Control - guess that didn’t work out for you ? Saw that closed thread dated Feb/2011 -
Too bad - thought that their instruction was supposed to be top notch !
All kidding aside just because I can’t throw a baseball 100mph doesn’t mean that throwing a ball 100mph is impossible. I’ve never had much luck at blackjack but I’ve done well with craps. And yes “dice controlling ” is what I do. It doesn’t always work out for me but more times than not plus I just love the game of craps.
So if you gamble for a living then yeah for you stick with blackjack but if you like craps try different grips and sets till you find one that works for you and only bet minimum until you get yourself sorted out which was what you should have done from the start so you wouldn’t be down so much.
Dice control is complete bullshit. I have been practicing for a couple years. I have also been losing large amount of money. All I have for advise is don’t play to win; play to lose because dice control is a sham. Actually, don’t even play, blackjack would probably bring you a stronger return.
Punisher
Were do you play and how often do you get to the tables? Have you ever gone to a “live” class or hooked up with other guys who also do dice control to scrutize your grip and toss?
Sometimes like any other physical game ( baseball, basketball, bowling, golf, etc ) a second or third set of eyes sees something that we do not. If might really be a simple fix.
Dice control is complete bullshit. I have been practicing for a couple years. I have also been losing large amount of money. All I have for advise is don’t play to win; play to lose because dice control is a sham. Actually, don’t even play, blackjack would probably bring you a stronger return.
Punisher
Were do you play and how often do you get to the tables? Have you ever gone to a “live” class or hooked up with other guys who also do dice control to scrutize your grip and toss?
Sometimes like any other physical game ( baseball, basketball, bowling, golf, etc ) a second or third set of eyes sees something that we do not. If might really be a simple fix.
Eagledice
Eagledice shows the only way in which “dice controll” will guarentee a profit: “teach” a class and charge people to take it. There is a sucker born every minute.
Dice control is complete bullshit. I have been practicing for a couple years. I have also been losing large amount of money. All I have for advise is don’t play to win; play to lose because dice control is a sham. Actually, don’t even play, blackjack would probably bring you a stronger return.
Punisher
Were do you play and how often do you get to the tables? Have you ever gone to a “live” class or hooked up with other guys who also do dice control to scrutize your grip and toss?
Sometimes like any other physical game ( baseball, basketball, bowling, golf, etc ) a second or third set of eyes sees something that we do not. If might really be a simple fix.
Eagledice
Eagledice shows the only way in which “dice controll” will guarentee a profit: “teach” a class and charge people to take it. There is a sucker born every minute.
JHPA
That is not all that I said in this statement. I also mentioned trying to meet up with other players who also practice dice control.
The last 4 years I have met a few guys that we attempt to meet in Detroit and hit the tables together. Between the 3 or 4 that get together we all “critique” each others throws at the table. We all have certain tosses and landing zones that we work on. If your toss is off it might be tossing to deep in the table, or twisting your wrist, tossing the dice to high, etc. We all have had our ups and downs at the tables, but we are at this point on the positive side of the ledger. Like I said its about having another set of eyes watching what I am doing or someone else is doing.
When we get together its a group of friends having a good time watching out for each other. There is no"fee” that we are paying. Like being at the golf course and your buddy says you are lifting up your head to soon.
Its all about winning and in our opinions that is what is working.
Like I said its about having another set of eyes watching what I am doing or someone else is doing.
EagleDice
Keep in mind that Drew Brees was just another quarterback wannabe until he ended up traded to the Saints and got another set of eyes that understood his style. Enjoy the game today.
Dice control is complete bullshit. I have been practicing for a couple years. I have also been losing large amount of money. All I have for advise is don’t play to win; play to lose because dice control is a sham. Actually, don’t even play, blackjack would probably bring you a stronger return.
Punisher
Were do you play and how often do you get to the tables? Have you ever gone to a “live” class or hooked up with other guys who also do dice control to scrutize your grip and toss?
Sometimes like any other physical game ( baseball, basketball, bowling, golf, etc ) a second or third set of eyes sees something that we do not. If might really be a simple fix.
Eagledice
Eagledice shows the only way in which “dice controll” will guarentee a profit: “teach” a class and charge people to take it. There is a sucker born every minute.
JHPA
That is not all that I said in this statement. I also mentioned trying to meet up with other players who also practice dice control.
The last 4 years I have met a few guys that we attempt to meet in Detroit and hit the tables together. Between the 3 or 4 that get together we all “critique” each others throws at the table. We all have certain tosses and landing zones that we work on. If your toss is off it might be tossing to deep in the table, or twisting your wrist, tossing the dice to high, etc. We all have had our ups and downs at the tables, but we are at this point on the positive side of the ledger. Like I said its about having another set of eyes watching what I am doing or someone else is doing.
When we get together its a group of friends having a good time watching out for each other. There is no"fee” that we are paying. Like being at the golf course and your buddy says you are lifting up your head to soon.
Its all about winning and in our opinions that is what is working.
EagleDice
Do not get me wrong, I am all for the social aspects of the game. I love the rituals and superstitions which is a big part of the fun. But I repeat, the only thing you mentioned that has any true relationship to making money is the classes - and the only person that makes moeny for is the teacher.
Dice control is complete bullshit. I have been practicing for a couple years. I have also been losing large amount of money. All I have for advise is don’t play to win; play to lose because dice control is a sham. Actually, don’t even play, blackjack would probably bring you a stronger return.
Punisher
Were do you play and how often do you get to the tables? Have you ever gone to a “live” class or hooked up with other guys who also do dice control to scrutize your grip and toss?
Sometimes like any other physical game ( baseball, basketball, bowling, golf, etc ) a second or third set of eyes sees something that we do not. If might really be a simple fix.
Eagledice
Eagledice shows the only way in which “dice controll” will guarentee a profit: “teach” a class and charge people to take it. There is a sucker born every minute.
JHPA
That is not all that I said in this statement. I also mentioned trying to meet up with other players who also practice dice control.
The last 4 years I have met a few guys that we attempt to meet in Detroit and hit the tables together. Between the 3 or 4 that get together we all “critique” each others throws at the table. We all have certain tosses and landing zones that we work on. If your toss is off it might be tossing to deep in the table, or twisting your wrist, tossing the dice to high, etc. We all have had our ups and downs at the tables, but we are at this point on the positive side of the ledger. Like I said its about having another set of eyes watching what I am doing or someone else is doing.
When we get together its a group of friends having a good time watching out for each other. There is no"fee” that we are paying. Like being at the golf course and your buddy says you are lifting up your head to soon.
Its all about winning and in our opinions that is what is working.
EagleDice
Do not get me wrong, I am all for the social aspects of the game. I love the rituals and superstitions which is a big part of the fun. But I repeat, the only thing you mentioned that has any true relationship to making money is the classes - and the only person that makes moeny for is the teacher.
There are people on this board who in addition to you - do not believe that dice control methods work -
There are many people on this board who do believe that it does work -
There are many people who play golf who are no better today than they were 20 years ago -
There are people who play golf who are scratch players after 1 or 2 seasons -
Regarding the ” Punisher ” and his situation - perhaps he practiced a ” wrong methodology ” - practice does not make perfect -
Perfect practice makes perfect -
If I did not see the results of my and my wife’s efforts at DI/DC first hand - I would concur with you and the other non-believers in a heart-beat that
it does not work -
However, it does work for me, it does work for Linda - it does work for a number of other people on this and other boards with whom Linda and I have shot with -
Granted, you are not going to have lengthy hands each and every time that you get the dice in your hot little hand - but you will win - you will throw repeating numbers - you will take the ” randomness ” out of the game / equation -
Like anything else in this life - you get out what you put in into it -
The old data processing term was ” Garbage In - Garbage Out ” - that still stands to this day even though DP is now referred to as IT - and the 80 column punched card is long gone - along with the double row 45 column ” System 3 ” punched card - main frames have been replaced by faster, smaller PC’s - but the basic 640K of DOS housekeeping and boot-up sectors and commands remain in use still to this day -
Some things change - some things remain the same -
Congratulations on your ability to “take the randomness out of the game.”
And to think that both you and your wife have that ability - truly remarkable.
Can you let me know where you and your wife used to work? I know some people looking for jobs and with your craps ability I am sure you immediately quit your jobs. After all, why would someone work nine to five every day when they could take a $50,000 bankroll into a casino a couple of times a year and turn it into a couple hundred grand. Then you can spend the rest of your days sitting on a beach or doing just about anything you want.
I hope you see my point. Until people get to that point, where their “dice controll” allows them to truly turn the house advantage in their favor and they are confident enough to make their living off of throwing dice, I will not believe it can happen. Show me one person - anyone, anywhere in the history of modern casino craps playing - who does this, and I will forever stop doubting dice controll
I stood next to a guy last week. He was hopping the hard ways for $25 each and the hardways hit five out of six times. Now he could controll the dice, right? Surely he took the randomness out of the game….how else could you explain it? The odds of that happening are 24 million to one?
Except he was not the shooter. Oops. The shooter was a chuck and duck shooter.
Throwing dice is random my friend and nothing you can do will change that.
Throwing dice is random my friend and nothing you can do will change that.
Throwing the dice is not random. If it were, there would be no way to figure a house advantage (indeed, there would not be a definitive house advantage). So lets forget this random factor altogether. now, if the casinos can take a mathmaticcally unrandom game into their favor… shouldn’t it, likewise. be possible to foil that advantage, mathmatically?
Throwing dice is random my friend and nothing you can do will change that.
Throwing the dice is not random. If it were, there would be no way to figure a house advantage (indeed, there would not be a definitive house advantage). So lets forget this random factor altogether. now, if the casinos can take a mathmaticcally unrandom game into their favor… shouldn’t it, likewise. be possible to foil that advantage, mathmatically?
Is tossing a coin heads or tails random? Let’s agree that it is.
Let’s pretend a casino had a game called “heads or tails”. A coin is tossed and you can bet on either outcome. You bet a dollar. If you win, you get your bet back and then you also win 90 cents. If you lose, you lose your dollar. The casino has a “house advantage” even though the outcome is random.
The possibility that any single die comes up one, two, three, four, five or six is random. There is equal chance of each one occurring and the outcome of one toss has no impact on the outcome of any other toss. If craps were played with one die, the payout on every number would be the same and each would have the same house advantage. But with two dice, multiple combinations can create some of the numbers. so the statistical likelihood of the numbers 2 through 12 vary. But it is still based on the randomness of the individiual die.
The house advantage is created by calculating a payout which is less than the statistical liklihood of the outcome. That is why casinos create conditions and rules for throwing the dice which maintain the statistical likelihood of throwing the dice.
Throwing dice is random my friend and nothing you can do will change that.
Throwing the dice is not random. If it were, there would be no way to figure a house advantage (indeed, there would not be a definitive house advantage). So lets forget this random factor altogether. now, if the casinos can take a mathmaticcally unrandom game into their favor… shouldn’t it, likewise. be possible to foil that advantage, mathmatically?
Is tossing a coin heads or tails random? Let’s agree that it is.
Let’s pretend a casino had a game called “heads or tails”. A coin is tossed and you can bet on either outcome. You bet a dollar. If you win, you get your bet back and then you also win 90 cents. If you lose, you lose your dollar. The casino has a “house advantage” even though the outcome is random.
The possibility that any single die comes up one, two, three, four, five or six is random. There is equal chance of each one occurring and the outcome of one toss has no impact on the outcome of any other toss. If craps were played with one die, the payout on every number would be the same and each would have the same house advantage. But with two dice, multiple combinations can create some of the numbers. so the statistical likelihood of the numbers 2 through 12 vary. But it is still based on the randomness of the individiual die.
The house advantage is created by calculating a payout which is less than the statistical liklihood of the outcome. That is why casinos create conditions and rules for throwing the dice which maintain the statistical likelihood of throwing the dice.
True, I used the wrong words. I should have said something along the lines of percentage chance (heads or tails is the same either way, craps is not).
With so many 7 possibles as oppsed to others, you can mathematically determine whats going to have been rolled at the end of the day, much as the guys at the pentagon were determining how many of our youngsters were going to die in any given battle before it even began.
So, why can’t that be changed if you can manage to keep the dice in a certain pattern in a higher percentage of the time by eliminating random tossing?
Congratulations on your ability to “take the randomness out of the game.”
And to think that both you and your wife have that ability - truly remarkable.
Can you let me know where you and your wife used to work? I know some people looking for jobs and with your craps ability I am sure you immediately quit your jobs. After all, why would someone work nine to five every day when they could take a $50,000 bankroll into a casino a couple of times a year and turn it into a couple hundred grand. Then you can spend the rest of your days sitting on a beach or doing just about anything you want.
I hope you see my point. Until people get to that point, where their “dice controll” allows them to truly turn the house advantage in their favor and they are confident enough to make their living off of throwing dice, I will not believe it can happen. Show me one person - anyone, anywhere in the history of modern casino craps playing - who does this, and I will forever stop doubting dice controll
I stood next to a guy last week. He was hopping the hard ways for $25 each and the hardways hit five out of six times. Now he could controll the dice, right? Surely he took the randomness out of the game….how else could you explain it? The odds of that happening are 24 million to one?
Except he was not the shooter. Oops. The shooter was a chuck and duck shooter.
Throwing dice is random my friend and nothing you can do will change that.
JHPA -
Okay, you got me on the 9-5 job -
We’re still working - after this last $.3M contract - we are looking to ” pack it in ” - if you want to buy-into or buy the business outright - let me know - I’ll sell -
Not to get into a peeing contest - it’s not worth either of us any of our time and effort -
I believe in the DC/DI theory/concept - I see it work - I do not have to prove anything to you or anyone else -
If you do not believe - well and fine / if you do believe - well and fine / if you are on the fence- undecided - well and fine -
Believe me , I have no animosity towards you or anyone else for that matter regarding your beliefs -
If you would rather ” gamble ” on the ” chuckers and flingers ” - be my guest - knock yourself out -
Personally, I opt to take a different route - whether it be determined/decided to be the high road or the low road -
That remains to be seen -
I feel that with focused practice, persistence and the proper knowledge ( not in that particular order, mind you ) just about anything and everthing can be achieved -
It boils down to ” Mind over Matter ” - ” If you don’t Mind - it doesn’t Matter ” - as the ageless joke goes -
However, let me leave you with this - Dice Control/ Dice Influencing / Casino Gambling - ARE NO JOKING MATTERS !
to SO CO:
“So, why can’t that be changed if you can manage to keep the dice in a certain pattern in a higher percentage of the time by eliminating random tossing?”
....becasue you can’t. If it were possible, someone would have made a gazillion dollars doing it by now
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