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Can I lay a $41 no ten, make it working on the come out. So I can hedge my $20 don’t pass bet. Then take the $41 no ten down after a point has been established. I didn’t Know if that is legal or not. Do you think this would be a good strategy?
Can I lay a $41 no ten, make it working on the come out. So I can hedge my $20 don’t pass bet. Then take the $41 no ten down after a point has been established. I didn’t Know if that is legal or not. Do you think this would be a good strategy?
As basicstrategy777 has noted, this is legal. It is, in fact, a variation of a strategy called Ricochet attributed to Les Scally by his friend and gambling author John Patrick. The philosophy behind this play is to get into a position of being the favorite to win an even money bet (when a point is established) while protecting the DP bet from the devil on the comeout roll. (The original system, which used a $15 DP, tossed in a dollar yo on the comeout to protect the DP from that result also.) Of course the Achilles’ Heel of the strategy you propose gets hit when ten becomes the point and you lose your lay bet. As with all hedging strategies this one pays a premium in expected value to dampen variance, which stabilizes playing time. If that’s an acceptable trade and you have the bankroll to withstand the possibility of losing over $60 on a single coup, then this is not a bad strategy IMHO.
Can I lay a $41 no ten, make it working on the come out. So I can hedge my $20 don’t pass bet. Then take the $41 no ten down after a point has been established. I didn’t Know if that is legal or not. Do you think this would be a good strategy?
As basicstrategy777 has noted, this is legal. It is, in fact, a variation of a strategy called Ricochet attributed to Les Scally by his friend and gambling author John Patrick. The philosophy behind this play is to get into a position of being the favorite to win an even money bet (when a point is established) while protecting the DP bet from the devil on the comeout roll. (The original system, which used a $15 DP, tossed in a dollar yo on the comeout to protect the DP from that result also.) Of course the Achilles’ Heel of the strategy you propose gets hit when ten becomes the point and you lose your lay bet. As with all hedging strategies this one pays a premium in expected value to dampen variance, which stabilizes playing time. If that’s an acceptable trade and you have the bankroll to withstand the possibility of losing over $60 on a single coup, then this is not a bad strategy IMHO.
I programmed this into WinCraps , using the $15 DP, the $1 Yo and the $40 no-10 ($1vig, collected only on wins). I set the bankroll at $600 and the win goal at $300, with a 200-roll “time” limit (about two hours’ play). I ran 10,000 sessions, and there were no busts, but the win goal was reached only 22 times, either. With these bets offsetting each other, you’re not likely to win half your bankroll. The biggest loss was $473. Some other results:
mean net outcome: -$17.57
median net outcome: -$17.00
mode of net outcomes: -$39 to -$32
standard deviation: $110.54
winning sessions: 4385
breakeven sessions: 48
losing sessions: 5567
There were only 528 sessions that lost $200 or more, 5.3%. Many methods advocated by John Patrick are designed to damp variance, which limits losses but reduces your chances of coming out ahead.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, Ca
I have WinCraps and I was wondering….is there anyone here that would be willing to help me setup a simulation for WinCraps.
I want to test out different strategies but I do not know how to set it up.
If anyone can help that would be great….Thanks.
I’m busy the next couple of days, but I will send you some of my AutoBet files if you send me your e-mail. Then, if you need more help, you can send me some parameters and I will see what I can do.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
I have WinCraps and I was wondering….is there anyone here that would be willing to help me setup a simulation for WinCraps.
I want to test out different strategies but I do not know how to set it up.
If anyone can help that would be great….Thanks.
I’m busy the next couple of days, but I will send you some of my AutoBet files if you send me your e-mail. Then, if you need more help, you can send me some parameters and I will see what I can do.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
Sounds good to me. Thanks Alan. My email is: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Can I lay a $41 no ten, make it working on the come out. So I can hedge my $20 don’t pass bet. Then take the $41 no ten down after a point has been established. I didn’t Know if that is legal or not. Do you think this would be a good strategy?
Actually they keep the 1 dollar so you only get 40 back.I always leave my lay bets up.You might want to try laying the 4 and 10 its double the money andif one loses you can bring the other down.
Can I lay a $41 no ten, make it working on the come out. So I can hedge my $20 don’t pass bet. Then take the $41 no ten down after a point has been established. I didn’t Know if that is legal or not. Do you think this would be a good strategy?
The ” proper / preferred ” strategy - ” If you were the Shooter ” would be to ” Lay $40 against the Outside 2 ( 4 and 10 ) - set for the ” No 4 / 10 Seven Set ” which is the ” Any/All 7 Set with the 6/1 on Axis ” - ON THE COME OUT ROLL ONLY - once a point # was established - take down your lay bets - and bet your normal point roll strategy.
Another strategy - when a point was established and hit - wheras players have come bets on the line - set the 6/5 - 5/6 dice formation - this will produce yo’s and crap #‘s - make a horn bet - I generally bet a $2 Hi-Lo, $2 - 3 Craps - $2 - Yo - which is a $6 Horn bet - avoids the 7 but can produce a nice $$$$$$ return when you hit those horn ‘s.
What do you do when a Yo eleven is rolled on the Come Out?
Bet a $1.50 YO LOL
Few people realize this, and I always see players “hedging their dont pass or dont come bets (say a $15 DP bet and a dollar YO), but all your doing is cutting into your profits. The don’t pass and don’t come DO NOT actually lose on an 11 like we’ve always been taught. Unless your only going to play craps once in your life (which none of us can say lol) , over our lifetime the 11 will roll the same amount of times as the 3. Since we win on the 3, that cancels out the losses of the 11 and vice versa. My advice (as a player and a dealer), is to just take the 3’s a lil bonus, and remember when that 11 rolls, we’ll soon hit a 3 to make up for it.
What do you do when a Yo eleven is rolled on the Come Out?
Bet a $1.50 YO LOL
and remember when that 11 rolls, we’ll soon hit a 3 to make up for it.
That phrase makes me suspicious sounds like the casino’s dice are programmed for a 3 to win back the money after you loss on the 11.Then my theories are right!!!
Unless your only going to play craps once in your life (which none of us can say lol) , over our lifetime the 11 will roll the same amount of times as the 3.
Since we win on the 3, that cancels out the losses of the 11 and vice versa. My advice (as a player and a dealer), is to just take the 3’s a lil bonus,
and remember when that 11 rolls, we’ll soon hit a 3 to make up for it.
WRONG! Do NOt listen to this person spreading probability LIES!!! a 3 will NEVER make up for an 11!
They do NOT roll the same NUMBER of times. If they do, it is just coincidental not a proof of ANY LAW.
again, I quote words from a low dealer on the pecking order.
You are living by the untrue “law of averages.”
“The Law of Large Numbers” that IS a real Law, says the ratio or percentages will get very close to expectation in the long run, but NOT the absolute number of times a number actually hits. That is actually governed by the Arcsine Law, but you have to study that on your own.
Averages, ratios and percentages converge, not absolute values.
Unless your only going to play craps once in your life (which none of us can say lol) , over our lifetime the 11 will roll the same amount of times as the 3.
Since we win on the 3, that cancels out the losses of the 11 and vice versa. My advice (as a player and a dealer), is to just take the 3’s a lil bonus,
and remember when that 11 rolls, we’ll soon hit a 3 to make up for it.
WRONG! Do NOt listen to this person spreading probability LIES!!! a 3 will NEVER make up for an 11!
They do NOT roll the same NUMBER of times. If they do, it is just coincidental not a proof of ANY LAW.
again, I quote words from a low dealer on the pecking order.
You are living by the untrue “law of averages.”
“The Law of Large Numbers” that IS a real Law, says the ratio or percentages will get very close to expectation in the long run, but NOT the absolute number of times a number actually hits. That is actually governed by the Arcsine Law, but you have to study that on your own.
Averages, ratios and percentages converge, not absolute values.
Dude… take a deep breath, and probably a bottle of scotch.
Pick up a pair of dice.. any pair will do. Set them as if an 11 was rolled and then turn them upside down. Now.. set them as if a 3 was rolled and… oh yeah, they are already set as if a 3 was rolled aren’t they. There are exactly the same number of threes and elevens.
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