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Do you suspect the casino cheating at the craps table?
Posted: 22 January 2012 12:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 136 ]
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I am just saying .... and now others are saying - Great video on YouTube ..... if you do not have 45 minutes to see it all - go to minute 30:00 for a few minutes for the meat and potatoes on the subject of biased dice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vbxmSGsQ1Q

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Posted: 22 January 2012 08:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 137 ]
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Harley,
      I like where you are going with this.  I have often thought that out of a holiday weekend where the craps tables are packed about 18hrs out of the day all it would take is one jerk to scrape one of the sides of the dice with his ring “which I have seen what looked to me like someone trying to grind one of the points down or dent it” to affect that die for not only hrs of gaming but possibly days.


Now I also know when the dice go off the table or someone goes on a monster roll the box man checks the points to ensure this is not done but i do agree if the person who tampered with the dice shoots a quick 7 out then that die goes back into the pile and so on and so forth so if the same person does this 3 or 4 times to one die now you most of the bowl with shaved or dented point on one side which could seriously swing the odds against the house.  Now the other shooters don’t know this so they are shooting the dice and they could think it’s there lucky night but really they are shooting with tampered dice.


On the other side I used to scout out bias roulette wheels to place 1st 12 and 2nd 12 bets with alot of success over the years.  I actually had a casino in niagra canada close a table down because me and 3 friends had a average bet of 1400 on 1st and 2nd 12 and this wheel consistantly produced low numbers at around a 8-1 clip.  Once the house realized they were loosing on every spin they just shut the table down and but we hit them hard for about a good hr before this stopped.  Funny thing was that table was not reopened the rest of the weekend we were there.

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Posted: 22 January 2012 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 138 ]
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G7SitW—- interesting points that reminds me of a couple of stories:

The Encore Beach Club (private European topless pool) has an outside mini-tub craps table with misters above it and a hard surface below it.  The lady next to me was shooting topless - IMO a distraction to what she was really doing ........ she was getting her fingers wet from the misters, getting the dice moist to stick together, then setting for the hardways and tossing hardways .... the dice were wet and sticky and almost glued tite together as they tossed softly across the small table, landing on a hard 8 ....

When the dice came to me, I accidently tossed one dice off the table ... when I asked for same dice, I noticed one had a chip on it from hitting the hard poolside surface.  The result is that I was able to throw a lot of 9s ..... so each time the dice came to me, I would slide my fingers across the dice to find that chipped dice .... and have fun on the 9s as long as I was not distracted by the nice scenery.

Re: Roulette .... When we met with the Nevada Gaming Commission regarding the unbalanced dice, the # 1 point they wanted to drive home to us is that their job was to protect the assets (chips) of the casinos no matter what it takes.  The 2nd point the Nevada Gaming Commission wanted to stress to us is that it is hard to make equipment perfect (like slot machines that malfunction to a jackpot).

.... to illustrate, the Nevada Gaming Commission told us:

In Monte Carlo (France), the casino shuts down for 2 hours every morning.  One Friday this whale has found a bias on one of the roulette wheels and is making a killing on it.  So when the casino closes in the morning, the casino takes the biased roulette wheel and switches it to another table.  The big bettor comes back in the next day and tries to make another killing but is unable to with the switched wheel.

Similar “protection” is followed in Sam’s Town, Las Vegas—- they employ 4 different kinds of dice at Sam’s Town.  As soon as the bonus craps prop bet All, Tall, Small is hit big by a patron, the very next shift will have the extremely unbalanced dice in play.  It is simple Cash Management 101, but casual craps players are not able to tell the difference.

...  we can put a man on the moon, but we can not make perfect roulette wheels or balanced bones .... That’s the Gaming Commission’s story and they are sticking to it—- yea right, some suckers are born every minute and the casinos are counting on it .... but I am not buying it.

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Posted: 22 January 2012 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 139 ]
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Hardeight - 30 January 2011 05:25 PM

I DO!!!!I think there are magnets in that table that can alter the dice or something.I am becoming an observer on how the dice move at certain angles and see alot of curviing of the dice.

The reason why I am saying this it seems like all the good shooters are sevening out a lot quicker including myself.I sevened out on the first roll 4 out of 6 times lately and know somethings shady.Then I see the beginners hitting three numbers?The one dude didnt know which direction to throw the dice but he hits a 10 and 4 and another number?Thats unheard of.I am an up and coming dice controller and I still have trouble hitting 4s and 10s.

    The answer is absolutely NO!!!!

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Posted: 22 January 2012 05:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 140 ]
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Harley - 22 January 2012 12:04 AM

Great video on YouTube

That sure is a definitive and authoritative video.

And these two buttress the point no end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi7PMlAYJh8
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PIafzk8KJc&feature=related

Just one little niggling question remains that neither you nor anybody who agrees with you has ever been able to answer. If you’re so all-fired sure that the dice are biased toward seven (and maybe 11), why aren’t you betting the don’t and beating the pants off the house?

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Posted: 22 January 2012 05:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 141 ]
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Sancho Panza - 22 January 2012 05:05 PM
Harley - 22 January 2012 12:04 AM

Great video on YouTube

That sure is a definitive and authoritative video.

And these two buttress the point no end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi7PMlAYJh8
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PIafzk8KJc&feature=related

Just one little niggling question remains that neither you nor anybody who agrees with you has ever been able to answer. If you’re so all-fired sure that the dice are biased toward seven (and maybe 11), why aren’t you betting the don’t and beating the pants off the house?

Personally,

IF I suspected biased dice that were producing more 7’s than normal -

And I could care less be it the 6/1 - 5/2 - or 4/3 combinations -

I would certainly make ” lay bets ” against ALL the numbers -

Worst case scenario - you get shot down a number at a time - and stand to win the remaining #‘s that were not thrown till the 7 appears !

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